Ineligible Players from Sanctions

[ksgovols]

What part of NIL are you missing? And the next step when the players sue and become employees of the school and set up collective bargaining?

The 1960s called and wants their moral outrage back......[/QUOTE

Just make the NIL transparent. If you're playing for the highest bidder and we're professional now............then act like it. Tennessee, Florida and Texas should be raking in the players with no state income tax.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Just make the NIL transparent. If you're playing for the highest bidder and we're professional now............then act like it

You DEFINITELY don't want the players to be professionals.

Say hello to a player's union and the players collectively taking a nice chunk of TV revenue, not NIL money from collectives but directly from their employer, UT.
Say hello to some form of talent draft instead of recruiting.
Say hello to the 4 year eligibility rule going bye bye. You won't be able to age discriminate against employees. Enjoy watching aging former NFL full grown linemen playing against 18yos who are used to high school blocking.

That's just for starters. What you want is 1960s "rah rah for state" teams and that ship has sailed and sank. We can actually only hope for a few more good years before the above is true.

 

[OH-Vol]

Eric Gray was one of the guys who was suspended and clearly took $$

 

[LWSVOL]

Or. I do realize how competive college recruiting is.

Make the kids and their parents/handlers accountable for their part in it. It will stop tomorrow. Not just the SEC. Nation wide. If they want to take a one and done shot at the NFL like basketball does or go pro out of high school, then go for it. I really like baseball's approach. 3 years before you're draft eligible and there's the portal.

the limiting factor with that statement is the NFL has a policy to not draft players until after three years of post high school. So players don't have option to go like basketball.

 

[ksgovols]

You DEFINITELY don't want the players to be professionals.

Say hello to a player's union and the players collectively taking a nice chunk of TV revenue, not NIL money from collectives but directly from their employer, UT.
Say hello to some form of talent draft instead of recruiting.
Say hello to the 4 year eligibility rule going bye bye. You won't be able to age discriminate against employees. Enjoy watching aging former NFL full grown linemen playing against 18yos who are used to high school blocking.

That's just for starters. What you want is 1960s "rah rah for state" teams and that ship has sailed and sank. We can actually only hope for a few more good years before the above is true.

But.............That's where we are! It's a semi pro entity but the employers get fined for enticement? It's one or the other. Maybe the NFL could pay these fines. Right now they are riding on the universities coattails and letting them do the dirty work. I like the MLB model alot more every day. If the kid isn't interested in a college degree and he's just playing the game for a possible NFL contract, then let the players decide if they are NFL ready or if they are willing to stay in school for 3 years to develop and still use the portal if they aren't satisfied with how it's going for them. Why are we cheating to get kids the opportunity?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

But.............That's where we are! It's a semi pro entity but the employers get fined for enticement? It's one or the other. Maybe the NFL could pay these fines. Right now they are riding on the universities coattails and letting them do the dirty work. I like the MLB model alot more every day.

Didn't De La Cruz sign with Cinci in 2018? He was 16 then.

About your complaint of child trafficking......

 

[ksgovols]

the limiting factor with that statement is the NFL has a policy to not draft players until after three years of post high school. So players don't have option to go like basketball.

But the baseball model is all or nothing. The NFL isn't taking kids out of high school and they are letting the universities serve as their minor leagues. It should be universal across the board. The NFL can have a development league and draft these kids out of high school or they play 3 years before they are eligible.

 

[ksgovols]

Didn't De La Cruz sign with Cinci in 2018? He was 16 then.

About your complaint of child trafficking......

Well, there's that. MLB's model is flawed when it comes to out of country participants. touche' U.S. players are bound by different rules. I'm against that as well. Players should be of age in all sports to make life changing decisions.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

But the baseball model is all or nothing. The NFL isn't taking kids out of high school and they are letting the universities serve as their minor leagues. It should be universal across the board. The NFL can have a development league and draft these kids out of high school or they play 3 years before they are eligible.

The NFL is a business and doesn't owe the college game anything nor any help for their business. Welcome to America. Believe it or not, industries develop completely different business models.

Wow! What a concept!

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Well, there's that. MLB's model is flawed when it comes to out of country participants. touche'

And where do a good percentage of prospects come from? Overseas. It's only a matter of time until they start allowing domestic prospects to sign early.

 

[ksgovols]

And where do a good percentage of prospects come from? Overseas. It's only a matter of time until they start allowing domestic prospects to sign early.

What are the rules for basketball and football? Overseas prospects might be a different story. Santi came from a NBA prospect school of some sort and the Germinator went to a prep school in the U.S. before he signed with the Vols. Baseball has 2 separate drafts. We can't control what other countries might allow. We can control what happens on our soil. Now U.S. kids can sign out of high school for baseball and basketball. Not football. Make it uniform across the board. Pro sports need to do what is best for the kids and the universities need to be explicit about development of minors until they are draft eligible. Which should be consistent across all sports. I like the MLB model for U.S. born citizens.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

What are the rules for basketball and football? Overseas prospects might be a different story. Santi came from a NBA prospect school of some sort and the Germinator went to a prep school in the U.S. before he signed with the Vols. Baseball has 2 separate drafts. We can't control what other countries might allow. We can control what happens on our soil. Now U.S. kids can sign out of high school for baseball and basketball. Not football. Make it uniform across the board. Pro sports need to do what is best for the kids and the universities need to be explicit about development of minors until they are draft eligible. Which should be consistent across all sports. I like the MLB model for U.S. born citizens.

Negative. Pro sports are businesses and need to do what is best for the business. That's exactly how America works and should work.

Colleges handle their sports business. Pro sports handle their business. No one should tell your business you need to do this or do that "for the good of this other business." Get outta here with that BS.

 

[ksgovols]

The NFL is a business and doesn't owe the college game anything nor any help for their business. Welcome to America. Believe it or not, industries develop completely different business models.

Wow! What a concept!

So is the NBA and MLB. Same kids more or less. If we are going to pay these kids to play whether it be minor league baseball, G league basketball or college football, then everything should be transparent and across the boards. Football kids are the only ones that can utilize the universities for development and hold universities hostage when it comes to pay for play. When illegal activities are involved in their development, shouldn't all parties be held to the same standard?

 

[ksgovols]

Negative. Pro sports are businesses and need to do what is best for the business. That's exactly how America works and should work.

Colleges handle their sports business. Pro sports handle their business. No one should tell your business you need to do this or do that "for the good of this other business." Get outta here with that BS.

So....... college sports aren't professional? We're paying them.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

So....... college sports aren't professional? We're paying them.

No. They are selling their name and likeness to collectives just like Eli and Peyton endorse various things. Pro players have been profiting from their NIL for years and without it coming from their employers.

Again, you DEFINITELY don't want UT to become a pro sports franchise unless you want a draft process, free agency, no age limits/eligibility limits, etc.

Imagine Stetson Bennett sitting on his tail at UGA at the age of 35 still running Kirby's offense. If colleges become pro sports, you'll get sued quick and in a hurry for age discrimination if you try to enforce 4 years of eligibility or a max age.

Stop with the pro sports. It's the worst outcome for college sports.

 

[ksgovols]

No. They are selling their name and likeness to collectives just like Eli and Peyton endorse various things. Pro players have been profiting from their NIL for years and without it coming from their employers.

Again, you DEFINITELY don't want UT to become a pro sports franchise unless you want a draft process, free agency, no age limits/eligibility limits, etc.

Imagine Stetson Bennett sitting on his tail at UGA at the age of 35 still running Kirby's offense. If colleges become pro sports, you'll get sued quick and in a hurry for age discrimination if you try to enforce 4 years of eligibility or a max age.

Stop with the pro sports. It's the worst outcome for college sports.

Yet, Stetson Bennett still doesn't have a college degree. To the contrary, I'm all about the amateur status of college athletes. But when these athletes are selling themselves out to the highest bidder and everyone else is paying their way, I have a problem with these same 'student athletes' not being named when there are indiscretions. Coaches and AD's are named and fired. Universities and athletic departments are fined millions of dollars. 'Student athletes' are exempt from this transparency and can transfer to other universities without penalty. That's my only problem. What did they learn from their indiscretions?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yet, Stetson Bennett still doesn't have a college degree. To the contrary, I'm all about the amateur status of college athletes. But when these athletes are selling themselves out to the highest bidder and everyone else is paying their way, I have a problem with these same 'student athletes' not being named when there are indiscretions. Coaches and AD's are named and fired. Universities and athletic departments are fined millions of dollars. 'Student athletes' are exempt from this transparency and can transfer to other universities without penalty. That's my only problem.

That is the decision, as you were told earlier, of the people who run the NCAA..... the school admins.

In the future, the NCAA has voted to let the conferences handle punishment and these rules may change from conference to conference. What you can bet on is that a conference isn't going to be "that guy" who is the one who breaks the longstanding tradition of players getting off the hook if they'll name names of coaches, boosters, etc. You may not like it but the world really does work that way. Sane people don't make recruiting harder in their conference than the other conferences they compete against.

I've enjoyed your righteous outrage but the world doesn't run on niceness, fairness, and what's good for the sport. It just doesn't and it won't no matter how many times you insist it should.

 

[ksgovols]

That is the decision, as you were told earlier, of the people who run the NCAA..... the school admins.

In the future, the NCAA has voted to let the conferences handle punishment and these rules may change from conference to conference. What you can bet on is that a conference isn't going to be "that guy" who is the one who breaks the longstanding tradition of players getting off the hook if they'll name names of coaches, boosters, etc. You may not like it but the world really does work that way. Sane people don't make recruiting harder in their conference than the other conferences they compete against.

I've enjoyed your righteous outrage but the world doesn't run on niceness, fairness, and what's good for the sport. It just doesn't and it won't no matter how many times you insist it should.

There's only a few of us boomers left. I'll continue to follow, but with a jaded eye. We're our own worst enemy. Thank God for Donde Plowman

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

There's only a few of us boomers left. I'll continue to follow, but with a jaded eye. We're our own worst enemy.

I'm also a boomer, old enough to have idolized Bobby Majors as a young teen, but our world is gone when it comes to college football. And a lot of what was idolized wasn't true then with envelope handshakes and all kinds of extracurricular recruiting techniques.

It was not clean in the 70s, for sure, and it was pretty accepted as a gentleman's business by the NCAA until maybe it was SMU that just went totally nuts and it worked...... until it was just too much. After that it all went further and further underground and everyone pretended it didn't happen except "every now and then." Yeah, right.

The good old days weren't good either.

 

[25vol]

That would make a nice little back-to-school basic math or programming problem, for any teachers out there. Once we have the list of which wins will be negated, they can check that against which players played, and then which ones transferred out.

Man I really love this idea! I’m thinking of using Excel for this. I’ll post the results in here if I find anything

 

[ksgovols]

I'm also a boomer, old enough to have idolized Bobby Majors as a young teen, but our world is gone when it comes to college football. And a lot of what was idolized wasn't true then with envelope handshakes and all kinds of extracurricular recruiting techniques.

It was not clean in the 70s, for sure, and it was pretty accepted as a gentleman's business by the NCAA until maybe it was SMU that just went totally nuts and it worked...... until it was just too much. After that it all went further and further underground and everyone pretended it didn't happen except "every now and then." Yeah, right.

The good old days weren't good either.

Bob Segar said "Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then"

 

[WeeohdeeWood]

I'm thankful Darnell Wright didn't get caught up in this mess.

 

[Starchief13VFL]

I will gladly give up those 11 wins and have that mess (and the trajectory we were on) be history in exchange for our 11 wins last year and all of our future wins with our current administration.

 

[strkr]

If they were ineligible at UT, they should have been ineligible at the schools the transferred to also. The players and their families knew that taking improper benefits was not allowed, but they did it anyway. Letting them off with nothing while imposing penalties to a new staff and new players who had nothing to do with it is wrong, plain and simple. If those players can no longer be punished due to being drafted (To’o’to, Gray, Morris, Crouch, etc.), then that’s on the NCAA for dragging their feet on the “investigation”. The punishments should ONLY impact those who were directly Involved. If Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, Mel Tucker, and others knowingly recruited players through the transfer portal that previously accepted improper benefits, they should be subject to show cause punishments as well.

And you know those coaches listed above did knowlingly recruit those mdie's paid players.