Ineligible Players from Sanctions

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LWSVOL said:
NCAA has never named players to my knowledge.

They also do not hold players / recruits accountable. The school is responsible for monitoring staff and boosters / donors / ticket holders for rules violations. It is not on the players / recruits. To my knowledge, players / recruits not penalized. They have not allowed recruits to be signed by a school if found breaking a rule before signing. Usually a self reporting situation by school.
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And.....................how's that worked out? I think all parties should have the light of truth shown on their faces.
 
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LWSVOL said:
NCAA has never named players to my knowledge.

They also do not hold players / recruits accountable. The school is responsible for monitoring staff and boosters / donors / ticket holders for rules violations. It is not on the players / recruits. To my knowledge, players / recruits not penalized. They have not allowed recruits to be signed by a school if found breaking a rule before signing. Usually a self reporting situation by school.
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And.....................how's that worked out? I think all parties should have the light of truth shown on their faces.

VolinMichigan said:
This is actually a situation where NIL can help. Don’t get me wrong, some recruits and players will probably still be paid under the table by boosters or coaches, but by using the NIL money to pay players, the schools minimize their risk of getting caught by the NCAA or having the kid take the money and go somewhere else. It’s not perfect but it will help eliminate some of the shadiness that’s been going on for a long long time.
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Are we against human trafficing or not?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I think this is correct ... and do we really need their names? The guys who transferred to Oklahoma, plus the guy who went to Alabama.
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I mean......Yeah. We do need their names. They get off scott free and are likely the ones brokering for the better deals through their 'handlers'. The only way to clean this thing up is to name ALL of the names and then the chips fall where they may. Why are we protecting the ones that are offering their services for $$$? I get arresting the Johns to eliminate their desire for prostitutes, but every now an then the prostitutes have to be on the hook to. Especially if their parents are the pimps.
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
That's not how any system works.

No school is under the obligation to do their own investigation and know who did and didn't break NCAA rules before they transferred. That's ridiculous. How exactly would that work?

Because UT was under investigation and 25+ players transferred you'd ruin ALL their careers because schools should be afraid to touch any player when a school is being investigated?

Get real.
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Yes. Because they whored themselves out to the highest bidder. This isn't rocket science! To clean up this activity, you have to expose all of those that participate in the activity. If it hurts Little Johnny's draft status, then the system would be working.
 
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DenmarkVol said:
Not sure they’ll be named as some were likely minors when they accepted benefits. But it raises the question: why are these prospects (and, in some cases, their families) who received illegal or unallowable benefits evidently completely immune from any kind of accountability?

Some hot prospect being courted by a school puts himself up for sale to the highest bidder. He knows the game and plays the game and benefits from the game. It’s all documented and the NCAA knows the prospects who played the game and received benefits. And this kid not only walks away from any kind of responsibility or accountability and is still on scholarship or playing college football? I don’t get it. There is a buyer and a seller here in each illegal recruitment transaction. It takes both to cheat, it seems.

I know the new NIL era kinda makes this question moot now. But how about a new rule or two that says any prospect who receives any illegal benefits during his recruitment as a college athlete risks his entire college football career? Or a one- or two-year suspension from all team activities? Or a loss of his scholarship? Would that maybe make these kids think twice before playing the game and accepting illegal benefits during their recruitment?

Regarding our own players who evidently received illegal benefits and then high-tailed it once Pruitt’s scheme was exposed, would such harsh penalties have changed their individual calculus as the seller of their services?

Again, NIL probably makes this moot…just thinking out loud here, guys…
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It really doesn't. Everyone should know what the player's handlers think he's worth and what the highest bid is. That's how it works everywhere else.
 
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ksgovols said:
And.....................how's that worked out? I think all parties should have the light of truth shown on their faces.
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University presidents and chancellors are the decision makers on if they get identified or not. So obviously, that is what they want. I guess they believe it works fine.
 
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ESPN reporting that we will be vacating all 11 wins from the 2019 and 2020 seasons. See who transferred after the 2020 season.
 
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DenmarkVol said:
Not sure they’ll be named as some were likely minors when they accepted benefits. But it raises the question: why are these prospects (and, in some cases, their families) who received illegal or unallowable benefits evidently completely immune from any kind of accountability?

Some hot prospect being courted by a school puts himself up for sale to the highest bidder. He knows the game and plays the game and benefits from the game. It’s all documented and the NCAA knows the prospects who played the game and received benefits. And this kid not only walks away from any kind of responsibility or accountability and is still on scholarship or playing college football? I don’t get it. There is a buyer and a seller here in each illegal recruitment transaction. It takes both to cheat, it seems.

I know the new NIL era kinda makes this question moot now. But how about a new rule or two that says any prospect who receives any illegal benefits during his recruitment as a college athlete risks his entire college football career? Or a one- or two-year suspension from all team activities? Or a loss of his scholarship? Would that maybe make these kids think twice before playing the game and accepting illegal benefits during their recruitment?

Regarding our own players who evidently received illegal benefits and then high-tailed it once Pruitt’s scheme was exposed, would such harsh penalties have changed their individual calculus as the seller of their services?

Again, NIL probably makes this moot…just thinking out loud here, guys…
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In the article released today on ESPN, players were granted immunity (and therefore not penalized) for their cooperation in the investigation into what was happening at Tennessee
 
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Does the ineligibility not carry over to the team they transferred to?

Or in Darnell Washington’s case the one he actually signed with?
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Does the ineligibility not carry over to the team they transferred to?

Or in Darnell Washington’s case the one he actually signed with?
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Maybe I don't fully understand how it works/worked, but TN shouldn't have given him a dime until he signed his LOI. Not the players (student athletes) fault, I put this on the coaches paying a 17-18 yr old kid and taking their word. Should have been 'no money until you sign' type deal, but again, I really have no idea.
 
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LWSVOL said:
University presidents and chancellors are the decision makers on if they get identified or not. So obviously, that is what they want. I guess they believe it works fine.
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I guess they do. $8mil later.....
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You must only be counting current college players when you say that, because in 2010, Reggie Bush was stripped of his 2004 Heisman Trophy for accepting impermissible benefits from USC boosters.

https://cw33.com/sports/sports-illu...asts-ncaas-mark-emmert-over-stripped-heisman/
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LWSVOL said:
Not by NCAA. By the Heisman board which is not associated with NCAA.
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Reggie Bush voluntarily gave up his Heisman ahead of a scheduled meeting of the Heisman Trophy Trust, which it had been speculated would strip him of the award.

Reggie Bush announces he is giving back his Heisman Trophy.
 
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Obviously, I have a real problem with the status quo.

If the 'student athlete' is shopping for suitors and the suitors get punished for the 'student athlete's' asking price, then when everything hits the fan, everyone should be exposed. It has gotten this way because it's been allowed. If the university is damaged because of the recruitment, then all players involved should be equally damaged if they willingly participated. At the NCAA level. I mean, if there's corruption involved and we're only going to punish those that acquiesce to the players demands, then it's just a game of not being caught. Coaches are losing jobs. Athletic departments are being fined 7 figures. Players get...................nothing. You have to nip it in the bud. Cut off the head and the rest won't rattle long. Why are we doing this to ourselves?

The kids involved are not punished at all. They went about their lives as if nothing ever happened. We can only suppose who took money and who got extra benefits that more often than not, they demanded. It sucks. Now that there's NIL deals and players are getting paid above the board, then make everything transparent. If it's a bidding process, then let's open the bids and let everyone know what's what.
 
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@ksgovols
"Yes. Because they whored themselves out to the highest bidder. This isn't rocket science! To clean up this activity, you have to expose all of those that participate in the activity. If it hurts Little Johnny's draft status, then the system would be working"

The NCAA chooses consistently to make a deal with the players that they don't lose eligibility in exchange for talking to the NCAA.

Good or bad, that's how they've done it and how they did it this time. It's essentially moot now since NIL allows players to sell themselves to the highest bidder legally, again good or bad.

At this late date, there's little to change. The NCAA has gotten out of the business of regulating and punishing infractions and turned it over to the conferences.

If you think the SEC is going to throw players who cheated under the bus and make the conference a pariah for recruiting, you don't understand how the world works.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
@ksgovols
"Yes. Because they whored themselves out to the highest bidder. This isn't rocket science! To clean up this activity, you have to expose all of those that participate in the activity. If it hurts Little Johnny's draft status, then the system would be working"

The NCAA chooses consistently to make a deal with the players that they don't lose eligibility in exchange for talking to the NCAA.

Good or bad, that's how they've done it and how they did it this time. It's essentially moot now since NIL allows players to sell themselves to the highest bidder legally, again good or bad.

At this late date, there's little to change. The NCAA has gotten out of the business of regulating and punishing infractions and turned it over to the conferences.

If you think the SEC is going to throw players who cheated under the bus and make the conference a pariah for recruiting, you don't understand how the world works.
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I think I know exactly how the world works. We win. Woo Hoo!
 
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Not that I have ANY confidence in the corrupt (CLEARLY) IRS….but I’d think they will want to know who received monies so taxes can be paid on income. I’m no tax lawyer but it would seem appropriate 🤷‍♂️
 
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ksgovols said:
I think I know exactly how the world works. We win. Woo Hoo!
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So you think the SEC or any conference is going to toss players who cheated under the bus? You seriously think they'd do that?

Perhaps you don't realize how competitive college recruiting is?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So you think the SEC or any conference is going to toss players who cheated under the bus? You seriously think they'd do that?

Perhaps you don't realize how competitive college recruiting is?
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Or. I do realize how competive college recruiting is.

Make the kids and their parents/handlers accountable for their part in it. It will stop tomorrow. Not just the SEC. Nation wide. If they want to take a one and done shot at the NFL like basketball does or go pro out of high school, then go for it. I really like baseball's approach. 3 years before you're draft eligible and there's the portal.
 
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tennrich1 said:
Not that I have ANY confidence in the corrupt (CLEARLY) IRS….but I’d think they will want to know who received monies so taxes can be paid on income. I’m no tax lawyer but it would seem appropriate 🤷‍♂️
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The IRS might very well knock on their door. Are your tax issues public? Neither are theirs.
 
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ksgovols said:
Or. I do realize how competive college recruiting is.

Make the kids and their parents/handlers accountable for their part in it. It will stop tomorrow.
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What part of NIL are you missing? And the next step when the players sue and become employees of the school and set up collective bargaining?

The 1960s called and wants their moral outrage back......
 
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