Iowa Football Players Put Fans On Notice

[Lawrence Wright]

I mean this movement is anti America. It would like to see an America based on the ideals of BLM.

No problems with protesting police brutality.

I’m not talking about the BLM movement.

I’m talking about the right to protest regardless of the movement.

 

[allvol123]

I’m not talking about the BLM movement.

I’m talking about the right to protest regardless of the movement.

I am all for the right to protest. But if you're going to protest using the BLM message, I'm not for it.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

And that’s a lot different than trying to force people to stand(kneel) with you....

Who’s forcing people to kneel?

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I am all for the right to protest. But if you're going to protest using the BLM message, I'm not for it.

Your first sentence is much more relevant than the second.

As long as you’re good with the right to protest, I’m good with that too.

 

[allvol123]

Who’s forcing people to kneel?

Well there is quite the intimidation to do it. Brees caught a lot of flack for his rather innocuous comments.

Even after the apology from him there was this idea that he has damaged the locker room.

Given that, what individual player on a college team is going to feel comfortable not kneeling if all others on the team are kneeling?

 

[jmacvols1]

A better analogy would be if a UT player took a knee right next to you, because chances are you couldn’t avoid it.

Some dude dropping ass all game is likely to offend the entire section he’s sitting in.

A player silently taking a knee on the field won’t offend you unless you choose to let it offend you...especially if you’re sitting in Section NN. You’re closer to God than the guy kneeling.

I would have to be unconscious or have no thought process for it not to be offensive. It is offensive, it's meant to be offensive and 'in your face' whether a player kneels next to me or on the field. Taking a knee means that I as a white American male am a bad person. So for what reason would it not offend me? Who likes to be unjustly, falsely accused?
I certainly should not have to pay the price of a ticket to be offended.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I would have to be unconscious or have no thought process for it not to be offensive. It is offensive, it's meant to be offensive and 'in your face' whether a player kneels next to me or on the field. Taking a knee means that I as a white American male am a bad person. So for what reason would it not offend me? Who likes to be unjustly, falsely accused?
I certainly should not have to pay the price of a ticket to be offended.

A protestor taking a knee does not mean you are a bad white American male.

Not sure how we got there...

 

[Pacer92]

Who’s forcing people to kneel?

"If you can not support us right now with this movement and with our team taking a knee during the national anthem, DO NOT support us during the football season," he wrote. "DO NOT watch our games on TV. DO NOT come up to us when you want photos. DO NOT ask us to give your kids autographs. DON'T COME TO US EXPECTING US TO DO FOR YOU WHEN YOU CAN'T SUPPORT THE BLACK ATHLETES ON THIS TEAM AND THE DECISIONS WE MAKE AS A TEAM.

Either you support us kneeling during the national anthem or give up your fan card for the Iowa Haweye football program...

Not an agenda?

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Well there is quite the intimidation to do it. Brees caught a lot of flack for his rather innocuous comments.

Even after the apology from him there was this idea that he has damaged the locker room.

Given that, what individual player on a college team is going to feel comfortable not kneeling if all others on the team are kneeling?

I disagree there’s peer pressure for everyone to kneel in a particular locker room.

Good dialogue here, will be back this evening to continue.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

"If you can not support us right now with this movement and with our team taking a knee during the national anthem, DO NOT support us during the football season," he wrote. "DO NOT watch our games on TV. DO NOT come up to us when you want photos. DO NOT ask us to give your kids autographs. DON'T COME TO US EXPECTING US TO DO FOR YOU WHEN YOU CAN'T SUPPORT THE BLACK ATHLETES ON THIS TEAM AND THE DECISIONS WE MAKE AS A TEAM.

Either you support us kneeling during the national anthem or give up your fan card for the Iowa Haweye football program...

Not an agenda?

Last post for now...I took that post to mean the Iowa players are asking fans to support their right to protest their particular cause, not “force” anyone to kneel.

 

[allvol123]

I disagree there’s peer pressure for everyone to kneel in a particular locker room.

Good dialogue here, will be back this evening to continue.

I dont see how you can disagree with that.

We have clearly seen only one position is acceptable, within the last 7-14 days.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Last post for now...I took that post to mean the Iowa players are asking fans to support their right to protest their particular cause, not “force” anyone to kneel.

You protest to gain support and attention. They have everyones support and certainly their attention. Now let's go back to disrespecting the anthem and flag and lose what we have gained. Seems like, in an effort to stay dry, they are poking holes in the boat thats carrying them. Nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[dovervolz]

If the sight of a player kneeling during the national anthem causes you not to watch a football game, I’d question how big a football fan you were to begin with.

I’m there to watch the game. Hell, most of the time I’m at the concession stand during the national anthem.

maybe you need become more familiar with “36 U.S. code, 301” stating what you should do during the national anthem. Kneeling and at the concession stand both aren’t part of it. Both are disrespectful to the country. If you want to protest, that’s fine, but protest at what’s the cause of it all. If it’s the police then protest in front of the police stations. If it’s the entire country that you want to protest against then do it at the voting booth. But don’t disrespect the flag and all the people the fought and died for our freedoms.

 

[Wireless1]

Yep, there’s not much that would make me leave a football game while it’s going on, let alone when I’m probably getting a hot dog and a coke 20 minutes before kickoff.

Hypothetical...#1 Bama is visiting undefeated #2 Tennessee on a Saturday night, and you have seats at the 50. Twenty minutes before kickoff UT’s best player comes out of the locker room and kneels during the anthem.

You staying for the game or leaving?

Probably not because I don't want to see UT lose and if our best player is more concerned about displaying his concern for social justice than being with his teammates for a game that'll be starting in 10 minutes, it'll be a lost cause.
Rest asssure I am more than willing to have empathy for the plight of many of these athletes but there is a time, place, and method to provide the most positve impact.

 

[Wireless1]

Iowa football players put fans on notice: Support their movement or don't support the Hawkeyes


Only reason there is college football is because of fans.

This young man will probably find he made a poor choice for college if he thinks this tactic will institute change within the state's citizens. He'll be ignored as he has ask to be.

 

[Pacer92]

Last post for now...I took that post to mean the Iowa players are asking fans to support their right to protest their particular cause, not “force” anyone to kneel.

I took it as they were asking their fans to support their protest, regardless of how offensive it may be to a lot of fans. There are ways to protest that don’t alienate people who interpret our flag in a good way....who may otherwise support their movement. Don’t try to raise awareness to being offended by offending. It’s a counterproductive and hypocritical stance.

 

[ButchPlz]

I took it as they were asking their fans to support their protest, regardless of how offensive it may be to a lot of fans. There are ways to protest that don’t alienate people who interpret our flag in a good way....who may otherwise support their movement. Don’t try to raise awareness to being offended by offending. It’s a counterproductive and hypocritical stance.

My favorite way many of these people protest is by attacking people of their own race and burning down their businesses.

Or the white people that are 'allies' threatening to shut down minority businesses for not posting little black squares on their Facebook pages.

What a healthy movement!

 

[Roustabout]

What exactly do you mean by extinguishing America’s light?

Seems like the globe and a good handful of countries in it were protesting police brutality also.

Don’t be fooled, the enemies of America are working hard to parlay this to their advantage.

 

[Atlanta917]

Simply tell the ADs at each school there will be no kneeling during the national anthem. There will be severe consequences.

lol

 

[Atlanta917]

I mean this movement is anti America. It would like to see an America based on the ideals of BLM.

No problems with protesting police brutality.

Apparently you do because that’s what the movement is about. African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police and 5 times more likely to experience a use of force incident. If police were ever held accountable then we wouldn’t have this disconnect between police and the public.

 

[ButchPlz]

Apparently you do because that’s what the movement is about. African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police and 5 times more likely to experience a use of force incident. If police were ever held accountable then we wouldn’t have this disconnect between police and the public.

It's actually more than 2.5, if you actually use real data.

But the real data only shows that a black person is something like .0005% likely to be killed by a cop and a white person is around .0001%.

 

[allvol123]

Apparently you do because that’s what the movement is about. African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police and 5 times more likely to experience a use of force incident. If police were ever held accountable then we wouldn’t have this disconnect between police and the public.

No, the movement is not about this one issue.

 

[Atlanta917]

It's actually more than 2.5, if you actually use real data.

But the real data only shows that a black person is something like .0005% likely to be killed by a cop and a white person is around .0001%.

I’ve always seen the 2.5 number whenever I’ve tried to research it, but you could be correct. What’s weird to me is that ppl always say that bad cops are the exception rather than rule, but for some reason the good cops (the overwhelming majority to some) are never around to stop the bad ones. There were 4 cops watching their friend murder George Floyd and not one stopped him.

 

[ButchPlz]

I’ve always seen the 2.5 number whenever I’ve tried to research it, but you could be correct. What’s weird to me is that ppl always say that bad cops are the exception rather than rule, but for some reason the good cops (the overwhelming majority to some) are never around to stop the bad ones. There were 4 cops watching their friend murder George Floyd and not one stopped him.

...and they're all being charged now. And they were a multi racial group.

I have a major problem with police brutality, but the truth is it is not the norm. Nor is there any data or anything that definitively shows police brutality is a racial issue. It's just not clear.

I can't support BLM because I don't support destruction and injustice, same reason I don't really support police/government killing people. There's nuance there, and everyone on both sides wants to brow beat everyone into submission.

 

[Atlanta917]

No, the movement is not about this one issue.

Kaep started kneeling due to a lack of response to police brutality, which is an issue for everyone. The current protests were sparked by the killing of George Floyd, which was an act of police brutality.