Iowa Football Players Put Fans On Notice

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Atlanta917 said:
Apparently you do because that’s what the movement is about. African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police and 5 times more likely to experience a use of force incident. If police were ever held accountable then we wouldn’t have this disconnect between police and the public.
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I don't like to use stats because then you get into stats like 13% of the people are committing 50% of the crimes, of course they are more likely to run into a bad cop. The point is no man or woman should be treated like that by the police at anytime. Now let's get off the black white thing and do something about it. Actually the time for protest is over. The police need to start policing their own departments and get rid of these clowns. They know who they are.
 
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ButchPlz said:
...and they're all being charged now. And they were a multi racial group.

I have a major problem with police brutality, but the truth is it is not the norm. Nor is there any data or anything that definitively shows police brutality is a racial issue. It's just not clear.

I can't support BLM because I don't support destruction and injustice, same reason I don't really support police/government killing people. There's nuance there, and everyone on both sides wants to brow beat everyone into submission.
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Its pretty clear police are held to a lower standard. Amber guyger broke into a mans home in Texas and murdered him and got the minimum sentence. Nothing happened to the officer who killed Eric Garner or Tamir Rice. Hell, an ex cop murdered a man in Georgia in February and was only recently arrested due to public outcry. The militarization of our police force is an issue that hurts everyone, but hurts the African American community disproportionately. While some of the blame certainly lies with the DA’s who refuse to charge the police and qualified immunity, the police and their us vs them mentality is a huge issue.
 
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Atlanta917 said:
Kaep started kneeling due to a lack of response to police brutality, which is an issue for everyone. The current protests were sparked by the killing of George Floyd, which was an act of police brutality.
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Is CP a BLM supporter?
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
I don't like to use stats because then you get into stats like 13% of the people are committing 50% of the crimes, of course they are more likely to run into a bad cop. The point is no man or woman should be treated like that by the police at anytime. Now let's get off the black white thing and do something about it. Actually the time for protest is over. The police need to start policing their own departments and get rid of these clowns. They know who they are.
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I’d be all for this. The issue is the unions and other bad cops protect them. The Miami cop who pulled over another cop for going 100+ had dead rats placed on her car. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a video of a good cop protecting someone from a bad cop.
 
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allvol123 said:
I meant CK. Is he a BLM supporter?
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I assume so, but I think he started the kneeling on his own and then BLM adopted it to their cause. I don’t know every stance of BLM, but I agree with them that there needs to be changes to our police force. I’m also fine with the kneeling. Ppl act like it’s the first time a message was sent during a game when Verne Lundquist used to give us the Tebow bible verse of the day every time Tebow took the field.
 
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Atlanta917 said:
I assume so, but I think he started the kneeling on his own and then BLM adopted it to their cause. I don’t know every stance of BLM, but I agree with them that there needs to be changes to our police force. I’m also fine with the kneeling. Ppl act like it’s the first time a message was sent during a game when Verne Lundquist used to give us the Tebow bible verse of the day every time Tebow took the field.
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As far as know he is linked with them now. So they are connected and thus I cant support his kneeling move. I'd consider BLM a racist organization. They might have issues we can agree on but by and large they are an extremist group.
 
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allvol123 said:
As far as know he is linked with them now. So they are connected and thus I cant support his kneeling move. I'd consider BLM a racist organization. They might have issues we can agree on but by and large they are an extremist group.
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Not sure how they’re racist, but I can understand why they’re protesting given what’s happened to Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and George Floyd. I believe it was MLKjr who said riots are the voices of the unheard. The same ppl angry with the protests now were the same ones condemning Kaep’s peaceful protest.
 
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Atlanta917 said:
Not sure how they’re racist, but I can understand why they’re protesting given what’s happened to Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and George Floyd. I believe it was MLKjr who said riots are the voices of the unheard. The same ppl angry with the protests now were the same ones condemning Kaep’s peaceful protest.
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When the very name of your group is defined by race, then you are racist.

Breonna Taylor was clearly a victim of idiocy, not racism. Same might be true for Floyd.
 
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allvol123 said:
I dont see how you can disagree with that.

We have clearly seen only one position is acceptable, within the last 7-14 days.
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I can disagree with it.

This is not an either/or proposition. None of the Saints players are demanding that Brees kneel with them.

It’s entirely possible for someone to stand for the national anthem, and at the same time understand and acknowledge someone else’s choice not to do so.
 
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dovervolz said:
maybe you need become more familiar with “36 U.S. code, 301” stating what you should do during the national anthem. Kneeling and at the concession stand both aren’t part of it. Both are disrespectful to the country. If you want to protest, that’s fine, but protest at what’s the cause of it all. If it’s the police then protest in front of the police stations. If it’s the entire country that you want to protest against then do it at the voting booth. But don’t disrespect the flag and all the people the fought and died for our freedoms.
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Being at the concession stand during the national anthem is disrespectful to our country....that’s a new one.

So now I should time breaking down our tailgate and walk to the stadium accordingly, just so I can be in my seat during the national anthem, at which point my familiarity with 36 US Code 301 kicks in? 🤔

I’m there to watch a football game.

If I’m in my seat when our band plays the national anthem, I’m standing for the national anthem. If anyone around me kneels, raises their fist or a God forbid forgets to take their hat off, I don’t have a problem with that either.

But I’m not planning my gameday around UF’s pre-game show. 😂
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Being at the concession stand during the national anthem is disrespectful to our country....that’s a new one.

So now I should time breaking down our tailgate and walk to the stadium accordingly, just so I can be in my seat during the national anthem, at which point my familiarity with 36 US Code 301 kicks in? 🤔

I’m there to watch a football game.

If I’m in my seat when our band plays the national anthem, I’m standing for the national anthem. If anyone around me kneels, raises their fist or a God forbid forgets to take their hat off, I don’t have a problem with that either.

But I’m not planning my gameday around UF’s pre-game show. 😂
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I can’t see why anybody would 😉
POSL is a different story
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I can disagree with it.

This is not an either/or proposition. None of the Saints players are demanding that Brees kneel with them.

It’s entirely possible for someone to stand for the national anthem, and at the same time acknowledge someone else’s choice not to do so.
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They were not going to accept him unless he apologized.
 
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allvol123 said:
When the very name of your group is defined by race, then you are racist.

Breonna Taylor was clearly a victim of idiocy, not racism. Same might be true for Floyd.
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While all lives do matter, the police are killing African Americans at a disproportionately higher rate. It could be idiocy if police were killing all races at the same rate, however that’s not the case.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Being at the concession stand during the national anthem is disrespectful to our country....that’s a new one.

So now I should time breaking down our tailgate and walk to the stadium accordingly, just so I can be in my seat during the national anthem, at which point my familiarity with 36 US Code 301 kicks in? 🤔

I’m there to watch a football game.

If I’m in my seat when our band plays the national anthem, I’m standing for the national anthem. If anyone around me kneels, raises their fist or a God forbid forgets to take their hat off, I don’t have a problem with that either.

But I’m not planning my gameday around UF’s pre-game show. 😂
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Just a couple of questions for you, 1.) were you inside the stadium when the anthem was played and could you hear it? 2.) what did you do if you could hear it?
 
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Atlanta917 said:
While all lives do matter, the police are killing African Americans at a disproportionately higher rate. It could be idiocy if police were killing all races at the same rate, however that’s not the case.
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I am speaking of specific incidents. As a society we seem to be inaccurately identifying events. The one in Louisville was a no knock raid with the wrong address. I fail to see how that is racist.

No one denies that better should not be an objective. But do better everywhere, not better based on a particular race. If you create better practices, they will improve incidents overall, not improve incidents based on race.
 
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allvol123 said:
I am speaking of specific incidents. As a society we seem to be inaccurately identifying events. The one in Louisville was a no knock raid with the wrong address. I fail to see how that is racist.

No one denies that better should not be an objective. But do better everywhere, not better based on a particular race. If you create better practices, they will improve incidents overall, not improve incidents based on race.
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Right. I think emphasizing deescalation rather than force and demilitarizing police will benefit everyone. It just so happens that minorities will benefit more.
 
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dovervolz said:
Just a couple of questions for you, 1.) were you inside the stadium when the anthem was played and could you hear it? 2.) what did you do if you could hear it?
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If I’m in my seat as the anthem is playing, I stand. If I’m wearing a hat I take it off.

If I’m in the stadium, at the restroom urinal when the anthem is playing, I finish taking a piss. If I’m wearing a hat it might stay on given where I am in the process.

If I’m in the stadium, at the concession stand when the anthem is playing, I’m standing along with everyone else in line.

If I’m running late to the game, walking to the stadium and hear the anthem playing off in the distance, chances are I keep walking to the stadium along with everyone else running late.
 
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Atlanta917 said:
Right. I think emphasizing deescalation rather than force and demilitarizing police will benefit everyone. It just so happens that minorities will benefit more.
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Agreed. The impoverished will benefit more, that is where police action happens. The black community has higher rates of poverty, thus the disproportionate rate of incidents.

I think focusing on policing/race is not the accurate focus.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If I’m in my seat as the anthem is playing, I stand. If I’m wearing a hat I take it off.

If I’m in the stadium, in the restroom urinal when the anthem is playing, I finish taking a piss. If I’m wearing a hat it might stay on given where I am in the process.

If I’m in the stadium, at the concession stand when the anthem is playing, I’m standing along with everyone else in line.

If I’m running late to the game, walking to the stadium and hear the anthem playing off in the distance, chances are I keep walking to the stadium along with everyone else running late.
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Same boat for me. A couple of instances I can remember at different stadiums where the concessions area got quiet, but that’s it.
 
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