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KB5252 said:
If gay marriage is allowed in a particular state and a preacher refuses to marry a gay couple can the institution be sued in court? this is a question that I have not been able to get a clear answer to.
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Well, I think churches are protected from discrimination laws, since it is a private religious institution. Plus, every state has at least dozens of gay-friendly congregations that a couple wouldn't (or shouldn't, if they're wanting to tie the knot) mind commuting to. I see what you're saying though... it seems like a nebulous issue.

KB5252 said:
I personally find homosexuality to be rather repulsive but in that sense it is no different than any number of heterosexual lifestyles/acts I find equally repulsive. That being said gay marriage simply does not effect me in any way, I simply don't care if two men or women want to be married.
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THIS is what I'm looking for. That's totally fine that you feel repulsed about it. I personally don't find anything disgusting about it, but the key point here is that you know it doesn't affect you at all. I think most people who don't necessarily endorse that lifestyle should simply not care and forsake the effort of going out and voting against it. When you go out and vote NO, it's really just a homophobic slap in the face.
 
#202
#202
CountVolcula said:
Ok, if a person believes that God created man, then God was before man. God already had laws in place that he told Adam and Eve. Therefore, Gods Law predated Mans law, which came from God.
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if you actually believe in adam and eve then why are you against incest? how do you think adam and eve's children populated the world?
 
#203
#203
KB5252 said:
If gay marriage is allowed in a particular state and a preacher refuses to marry a gay couple can the institution be sued in court? this is a question that I have not been able to get a clear answer to.
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Since churches are private institutions they should be able to marry whoever they damn well please. If a preacher doesn't want to marry a gay couple, they should not be forced to since the church is private. That being said, a public official is afforded no such luxury.
 
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utvolpj said:
I would say no but wouldn't the couple already know the church's views before trying to get married there? If it was an option there would be plenty of places open for them to get married
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within the gay rights movement there is a portion that care more about sticking it to conservative church goers than the right for two men or women to marry. There is money behind these groups and they would like nothing more than to involve religious institutions in costly litigation if the opportunity presented itself.

Wasn't intending it to be some kind of case against gay marriage, just a scenario I could see popping up. If religious institutions are protected then it's a non issue.
 
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#206
KB5252 said:
within the gay rights movement there is a portion that care more about sticking it to conservative church goers than the right for two men or women to marry.
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i don't think it's as big of a group as you think it is. or at least not nearly as large as the group usuing religion to go after gay marriage.
 
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#207
Someone tried saying that earlier. I don't think it's the case with the majority, but hey, if the church wants to stomp on their right to marry... then they have just as much right to snub them by voting for it.

Eye for an eye, right?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Well, I think churches are protected from discrimination laws, since it is a private religious institution. Plus, every state has at least dozens of gay-friendly congregations that a couple wouldn't (or shouldn't, if they're wanting to tie the knot) mind commuting to. I see what you're saying though... it seems like a nebulous issue.



THIS is what I'm looking for. That's totally fine that you feel repulsed about it. I personally don't find anything disgusting about it, but the key point here is that you know it doesn't affect you at all. I think most people who don't necessarily endorse that lifestyle should simply not care and forsake the effort of going out and voting against it. When you go out and vote NO, it's really just a homophobic slap in the face.
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I have no problem with gay people, I don't find them repulsive in the least, in fact I have a family member who I speak with on issues like this often. I do find the actual act of sex between two men repulsive but I imagine they see sex between and a man and a woman much the same.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Someone tried saying that earlier. I don't think it's the case with the majority, but hey, if the church wants to stomp on their right to marry... then they have just as much right to snub them by voting for it.

Eye for an eye, right?
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where in that scenario is a church stomping on their right? You can always go somewhere else. No different than churches not allowing non-members to get married in their building
 
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#210
KB5252 said:
I have no problem with gay people, I don't find them repulsive in the least, in fact I have a family member who I speak with on issues like this often. I do find the actual act of sex between two men repulsive but I imagine they see sex between and a man and a woman much the same.
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My bad, your wording confused me.
 
#211
#211
they are stomping on their right for supporting anti gay marriage bills. not for not marrying people.
 
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#212
utvolpj said:
where in that scenario is a church stomping on their right? You can always go somewhere else. No different than churches not allowing non-members to get married in their building
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We're talking about how a minority of pro-same sex marriage voters are doing so to snub the church goer crowds, since some of those same church goers are voting against same sex marriage.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
We're talking about how a minority of pro-same sex marriage voters are doing so to snub the church goer crowds, since some of those same church goers are voting against same sex marriage.
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How does that work?

What are they snubbing?
 
#217
#217
Wow. I missed a lot in this thread over the past couple of days. I've read it all and am happy that some of the conservatives agree with the libs here on this issue and I'm happy I know where a lot of people stand on this issue.

Now I just have one question... why do the people referencing the bible keep doing so? Especially to people who don't believe the bible? It's just another example of pushing your religion onto non-believers.
 
#218
#218
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Matthew 28:18-20
 
#219
#219
BeecherVol said:
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Matthew 28:18-20
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:birgits_giggle:
 
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#222
VOLatile said:
Yeah, pretty much. It told me that you "think" that everyone else needs to "think" like you because a guy that wrote a book told you so by quoting something that may or may not exist.
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I knew you disagree with my beliefs. Some do, and some don't. I was just answering your question as to why believers are not mute on the subject.
 
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