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Iran, Pakistan Hold Joint Naval Exercise in Persian Gulf

Something doesn't smell right? Now you telling me that the Iranians would have attacked a neighboring nuclear power that they were conducting naval exercises with?

On Tuesday, combat vessels and missile-launching warships of the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy and the Pakistan Navy took part in the drills, which were held off the coast of the southern Iranian port city of Bandar Abbas.

The main goals of the naval drills were described as elevating the level of training interactions and exchanges, promoting military relations and implementing bilateral maritime agreements.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did you even read the tweet? The Pakis are going after a Baloch militia... the same sort of Balochs that the Iranians hit. Maybe not the exact same group, but look at a map of Pakistan and Iran...

'Unprovoked violation': Pak warns of serious consequences after Iran attacks Baloch bases

The Balochs are know tools/prozies used by the US/UK in the same way the Kurds are used to destabilize the region.
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never heard of them..

As to the Kurds, they are one of the largest peoples in the world without a state and Kurdish independence predates American support. In light of your stance on Gaza, I would expect you to agree that they deserve statehood as well, marxist or not.
 
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Orangeburst said:
never heard of them..
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Do a little research. Ask yourself... who would be funding these Baloch militias? And who would benefit by making sure Chinese infractructure projects are hindered by terrrorists?

Possible Merger of Baloch Militant Groups Threatens Pakistani and Chinese Interests

Impact on Pakistan and China

The new post-merger movement’s name and leadership have not yet been decided, but the unification could enhance Baloch militants’ presence in areas that are currently less affected by the insurgency. The merger may further increase the occurrence of activities against China-led projects, particularly those linked to the $65 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). If the merger materializes, the two most influential and deadliest Baloch militant groups are likely to escalate attacks on law enforcement agencies and Chinese interests along the Makran coast. Makran has been a geographic center of CPEC activity, along with Karachi.

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As to the Kurds, they are one of the largest peoples in the world without a state and Kurdish independence predates American support.
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Yep, the Ottomans used them to help with the Armenian genocide.

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In light of your stance on Gaza, I would expect you to agree that they deserve statehood as well, marxist or not.
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At the very least, my stance is that it should be none of our business. But if we are arming and supporting one side of a regional conflict, then we are complicit. Just like we arm Israel, we arm the Kurds.
 
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Pakistan expands security for Chinese after Beijing's pressure

Baloch separatists -- who aim to carve out their own homeland and have targeted Chinese nationals in recent years as a way of undermining the central government -- are currently consolidating forces. Two key groups, the Baloch Liberation Front (BLF) and Baloch Liberation Army (BLA) Bashir Zeb Faction, have told the media that they are in the final stages of a merger.

The two already belong to the Baloch Raji Ajoi Sangar alliance, which has claimed responsibility for most of the attacks on Chinese interests in Balochistan and Karachi.

Baloch separatists condemn China as a colonial force that wants to exploit resources and the port of Gwadar.

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Gwadar port is near Iran and in Balochistan Province, Pakistan. So who do you think would be upset about a Chinese railline going to a port that would be assessable to Iran and Afghanistan?
 
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Orangeburst said:
America’s fault
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It should be clear by now that all of the Pakistani histrionincs was just for public consumption here. But it is our normal practice to find these separatist movements and minorities in various places and use them as wedges and proxies. These missile strikes on both sides of their respective borders were coordinated. Relax. There will not be a hot war going on between Iran and Pakistan.

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⚡️🇵🇰 The following is an announcement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan 🚨 Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar This morning 🇵🇰Pakistan undertook a series of highly coordinated and specifically targeted precision military strikes against terrorist hideouts in...
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Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar

This morning 🇵🇰Pakistan undertook a series of highly coordinated and specifically targeted precision military strikes against terrorist hideouts in Siestan-o-Baluchistan province of Iran. A number of terrorists were killed during the Intelligence-based operation – codenamed *‘Marg Bar Sarmachar'*.

Over the last several years, in our engagements with Iran, Pakistan has consistently shared its serious concerns about the safe havens and sanctuaries enjoyed by Pakistani origin terrorists calling themselves *Sarmachars* on the ungoverned spaces inside Iran. Pakistan also shared multiple dossiers with concrete evidence of the presence and activities of these terrorists.

However, because of lack of action on our serious concerns, these so-called Sarmachars continued to spill the blood of innocent Pakistanis with impunity. This morning’s action was taken in light of credible intelligence of impending large scale terrorist activities by these so called Sarmachars.

This action is a manifestation of Pakistan’s unflinching resolve to protect and defend its national security against all threats. The successful execution of this highly complex operation is also a testimony to the professionalism of the Pakistan Armed Forces. Pakistan will continue to take all necessary steps to preserve the safety and security of its people which is sacrosanct, inviolable and sacred.

Pakistan fully respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The sole objective of today’s act was in pursuit of Pakistan’s own security and national interest which is paramount and cannot be compromised.

As a responsible member of the international community, Pakistan upholds the principles and purposes of the UN Charter including territorial integrity and sovereignty of member states. Guided by these principles, and in exercise of our legitimate rights within international law, Pakistan will never allow its sovereignty and territorial integrity to be challenged, under any pretext or circumstances.

Iran is a brotherly country and the people of Pakistan have great respect and affection for the Iranian people. We have always emphasized dialogue and cooperation in confronting common challenges including the menace of terrorism and will continue to endevaour to find joint solutions.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Do a little research. Ask yourself... who would be funding these Baloch militias? And who would benefit by making sure Chinese infractructure projects are hindered by terrrorists?

Possible Merger of Baloch Militant Groups Threatens Pakistani and Chinese Interests

Impact on Pakistan and China

The new post-merger movement’s name and leadership have not yet been decided, but the unification could enhance Baloch militants’ presence in areas that are currently less affected by the insurgency. The merger may further increase the occurrence of activities against China-led projects, particularly those linked to the $65 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). If the merger materializes, the two most influential and deadliest Baloch militant groups are likely to escalate attacks on law enforcement agencies and Chinese interests along the Makran coast. Makran has been a geographic center of CPEC activity, along with Karachi.


Yep, the Ottomans used them tp help with the Armenian genocide.


At the very least, my stance is that it should be none of our business. But if we are arming and supporting one side of a regional conflct, then we are complicit. Just like we arm Israel, we arm the Kurds.
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nothing bad/nefarious ever happens in your world without the involvement of the US does it?

the groups likely banded together because they had a common enemy emerge in the area, China. Even before now it was known the region was unstable, so its not like this group sprang up from some magical CIA seeds. the chinese are changing the balance of power in the area, that is going to upset the locals and cause some changes on its own.

To the larger issue at hand the Iranians have been pissing off all their neighbors, so its not like this missile attack on Pakistan is a standalone issue. There is all the shipping issues going on. funding terrorists in Iraq, the border battles with Afghanistan over water, now Pakistan is emerging. but yet somehow, even with all these data points highlighting Iran as a common instigating factor you HAVE to drag in the third party US to somehow make it our fault.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Pakistan expands security for Chinese after Beijing's pressure

Baloch separatists -- who aim to carve out their own homeland and have targeted Chinese nationals in recent years as a way of undermining the central government -- are currently consolidating forces. Two key groups, the Baloch Liberation Front (BLF) and Baloch Liberation Army (BLA) Bashir Zeb Faction, have told the media that they are in the final stages of a merger.

The two already belong to the Baloch Raji Ajoi Sangar alliance, which has claimed responsibility for most of the attacks on Chinese interests in Balochistan and Karachi.

Baloch separatists condemn China as a colonial force that wants to exploit resources and the port of Gwadar.

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Gwadar port is near Iran and in Balochistan Province, Pakistan. So who do you think would be upset about a Chinese railline going to a port that would be assessable to Iran and Afghanistan?
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the locals? You know this area has been a hotbed for thousands of years that have ground down numerous empires, long before America was ever "discovered" by the west, or really even by the east, and will continue to be.

China is coming in and upsetting a lot of locals. we tried for 20 years to bring business to the area, and it didn't work. now China is taking a swing. I am expecting similar results, and there is no reason to assume its a vast CIA operation.
 
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nothing bad/nefarious ever happens in your world without the involvement of the US does it?
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You act as though I just pull things out of my azz in order to create a narrative or push an agenda. All I do is highlight the uncomfortable truth. But, as I am always forced to do, I have to pull out receipts. This is Seymour Hersch from 2008.

Preparing the Battlefield - The New Yorker

Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership. The covert activities involve support of the minority Ahwazi Arab and Baluchi groups and other dissident organizations. They also include gathering intelligence about Iran’s suspected nuclear-weapons program.

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He added, “There is huge opposition inside the intelligence community to the idea of waging a covert war inside Iran, and using Baluchis and Ahwazis as surrogates. The leaders of our Special Operations community all have remarkable physical courage, but they are less likely to voice their opposition to policy. Iran is not Waziristan.”
 
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You act as though I just pull things out of my azz in order to create a narrative or push an agenda. All I do is highlight the uncomfortable truth. But, as I am always forced to do, I have to pull out receipts. This is Seymour Hersch from 2008.

Preparing the Battlefield - The New Yorker

Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership. The covert activities involve support of the minority Ahwazi Arab and Baluchi groups and other dissident organizations. They also include gathering intelligence about Iran’s suspected nuclear-weapons program.

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He added, “There is huge opposition inside the intelligence community to the idea of waging a covert war inside Iran, and using Baluchis and Ahwazis as surrogates. The leaders of our Special Operations community all have remarkable physical courage, but they are less likely to voice their opposition to policy. Iran is not Waziristan.”
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You were just arguing it was an anti-China thing. but instead you pull up something from 2008 that was targeting Iran, not China. This particular BRI project was just announced in 2023. I know our guys are supposed to be good, but you really want us to believe we had these groups on speed dial for 15 years and finally phoned in a favor from them?

Pakistan didn't even jump on the BRI program until 2013. as usual with you the timelines just doesn't work out in your favor. you are playing revisionism to make the US always the bad guys.

if you are going to claim receipts it would be helpful to back up the actual claims you made.

and my receipts go back further than 2008. the US isn't the root of all the world's problems. Where is Balochistan and why is it the target of Iran and Pakistan strikes?
"Balochistan has a long history of resistance against the government of Pakistan, and militant insurgencies by groups fighting for an independent state for the Baloch people began in 1948, emerging again in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s and significantly post-2003. "

article goes on to cover how it hasn't been Iran and Pakistan bro-fisting each other over killing the common terrorists. plenty of tension in the area that was never going to respond well to outside influence, no matter how much you think we paid them. we have also identified the BLA as terrorists, have since 2019, so its not like the Kurds at all.
 
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LouderVol said:
You were just arguing it was an anti-China thing. but instead you pull up something from 2008 that was targeting Iran, not China. This particular BRI project was just announced in 2023. I know our guys are supposed to be good, but you really want us to believe we had these groups on speed dial for 15 years and finally phoned in a favor from them?

Pakistan didn't even jump on the BRI program until 2013. as usual with you the timelines just doesn't work out in your favor. you are playing revisionism to make the US always the bad guys.

if you are going to claim receipts it would be helpful to back up the actual claims you made.

and my receipts go back further than 2008. the US isn't the root of all the world's problems. Where is Balochistan and why is it the target of Iran and Pakistan strikes?
"Balochistan has a long history of resistance against the government of Pakistan, and militant insurgencies by groups fighting for an independent state for the Baloch people began in 1948, emerging again in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s and significantly post-2003. "

article goes on to cover how it hasn't been Iran and Pakistan bro-fisting each other over killing the common terrorists. plenty of tension in the area that was never going to respond well to outside influence, no matter how much you think we paid them. we have also identified the BLA as terrorists, have since 2019, so its not like the Kurds at all.
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It also involves blocking China. Again, we use these minority/militia groups to advance US interests.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It also involves blocking China. Again, we use these minority/militia groups to advance US interests.
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wouldn't that be some of the diplomacy you claim we never use?

these people were already fighting their own country before the US got involved. There is no reason to think they would have suddenly started working with some other, China, nation, even without our involvement.
 
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headhunter15 said:


What is the endgame here? Does Iran and the Houthi’s want American boots on the ground for a Holy War?
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America cannot do boots on the ground. You need to come to grips with this reality. WTF have bombing attacks done to Korean, Vietnam, Afghanistan or Syria? You need to be smarter than this. Just leave the area.
 
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Orangeburst said:
www.thedrive.com

Pakistan Strikes Back At Iran, Targeting Militants Near Border

Pakistan has become the first nation to openly strike targets within Iranian borders since the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s.
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yea..just US gov whipping up conflict.
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You are smarter than this. Pakistan attacked terrorists in Iran...

Iran attacked terrorists in Pakistan..

These two countries (along with China) were collaborating with each other beforehand... plus, they were conducting naval exercise together in the past few days.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
America cannot do boots on the ground. You need to come to grips with this reality. WTF have bombing attacks done to Korean, Vietnam, Afghanistan or Syria? You need to be smarter than this. Just leave the area.
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Easy, Ras. I’m not calling for boots on the ground.
 
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