Iraq...forgotten?

#27
#27
OrangeEmpire said:
Wow..............................

So, ALL military personnel are forced to join the military because they have no other means to support themselves?

So you haven't lost your hatred from 30 years ago?
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Apparently, my Bachelor's of Science in Accounting and my wife's Masters of Accountancy were not enough to provide sustenance to me and my family, therefore, I joined the Army.
 
#28
#28
therealUT said:
Apparently, my Bachelor's of Science in Accounting and my wife's Masters of Accountancy were not enough to provide sustenance to me and my family, therefore, I joined the Army.
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I have a simliar story but my background is now in Law Enforcement.

I am sure he hates Troopers also.

:yes:
 
#29
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slobberknocker said:
If you really think the military is "volunteer", then you're right, you don't have a clue.
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You've had head buried in the Gonj for so long that you can't even avoid putting down our great soldiers in your disdainful rants about our presence in the ME. I assure you that our military is chock full of some of the best, brightest and most capable people our nation has to offer. If you know as little as your posts imply, then you should shut your piehole and continue with your flag burning festivals while our soldiers protect your freedom to do so. The real sad part of that picture is not your flag burning, it's the fact that you have no idea how those freedoms were paid for. I will promise you that it was not diplomacy or protesting.
 
#30
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slobberknocker said:
Keep your head in the sand if you like papa, how many body bags are your limit before we pull out? That my friend is the question and all of you can ignore it if you want to, but not me.
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surely you know that there were body bags involved in that whole little war for independence thingy.
 
#31
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BigPapaVol said:
surely you know that there were body bags involved in that whole little war for independence thingy.
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Well, answer the question, how many lives are acceptable to you in Iraq in defending our country? And I guess you believe that we are going to bring democracy to Iraq, ludicrous.
 
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therealUT said:
Apparently, my Bachelor's of Science in Accounting and my wife's Masters of Accountancy were not enough to provide sustenance to me and my family, therefore, I joined the Army.
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No, not all, and I am not at call casting any dispersions towards you or members of the military, contrary to what people think. I appreciate your service, sacrifice and being in harm's way.
The issue with me is that we were lied to for the reasons to go to war. And the attitude now seems to be, well...we're over there so we might as well kick some ass.
Also contrary to what people may think about me...I have friends(career military, probably older than any of you), who have the same opinion as me regarding this war. We can agree to disagree, but Iraq will probably turn out to be the same quagmire(those are Cheney's words) as Viet Nam. Unless we start using our brains instead of our macho and continuing to follow our so called commander in chief.
 
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slobberknocker said:
Well, answer the question, how many lives are acceptable to you in Iraq in defending our country? And I guess you believe that we are going to bring democracy to Iraq, ludicrous.
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From my own personal service and the sacrifices made by the Iraqi's for this effort, an acceptable amount of US casualties in Iraq (since our force is all volunteer, every soldier enlists fully knowing the hazards of their chosen profession) to me is 20-30 times the amount we have suffered so far.

I too have plenty of associates who are career military (and I could care less about their age). I prefer to usually present my own position in the absence of actual direct quotes or published works. However, I will tell you that well above 90% of my associates are more than willing to continue our efforts in Iraq for the foreseeable future.
 
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slobberknocker said:
No, not all, and I am not at call casting any dispersions towards you or members of the military, contrary to what people think. I appreciate your service, sacrifice and being in harm's way.
The issue with me is that we were lied to for the reasons to go to war. And the attitude now seems to be, well...we're over there so we might as well kick some ass.
Also contrary to what people may think about me...I have friends(career military, probably older than any of you), who have the same opinion as me regarding this war. We can agree to disagree, but Iraq will probably turn out to be the same quagmire(those are Cheney's words) as Viet Nam. Unless we start using our brains instead of our macho and continuing to follow our so called commander in chief.
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What do they think about your opinion that the army is not of volunteers?
 
#37
#37
therealUT said:
Apparently, my Bachelor's of Science in Accounting and my wife's Masters of Accountancy were not enough to provide sustenance to me and my family, therefore, I joined the Army.
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Not defending this guy but how many people in the military have this? How many enlisted have a degree? Comparing your own situation to the rest of the military is a little bit of a reach don't you think? Again, before I get jumped I am only commenting on the line of thought related to the above.
 
#39
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slobberknocker said:
Well, answer the question, how many lives are acceptable to you in Iraq in defending our country? And I guess you believe that we are going to bring democracy to Iraq, ludicrous.
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I, Mr Kerry, believe those body bags are more strategic in nature than simply invading Iraq. If there is a number at which point the entire effort would be a waste, that number is always 1. If the mission is worth even one life, it needs to be worth whatever our military can put forth.

I've known plenty of your ilk and nothing on earth ever lives up to the standard of deploying the ultimate diplomatic force. That's not going to change. If the greatest set of patriots this world has ever seen gather had been of your mentality, we'd still be speaking with a British accent and be the Colonial States of Britain.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Not defending this guy but how many people in the military have this? How many enlisted have a degree? Comparing your own situation to the rest of the military is a little bit of a reach don't you think? Again, before I get jumped I am only commenting on the line of thought related to the above.
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but Americans have options and joining the military is only one of those options. not one person in today's military has been forced to join. Best and brightest or not, there are equal paying jobs in the civilian sector to that of a private. If people have limited those options via their decision making and were convinced the military was their only option, then they just didn't think it through.
 
#41
#41
CSpindizzy said:
Don't forget the Irish who as soon as they got off the boat in NY, etc. were pretty much lined up and sent to the Army. I'm sure they were all willing.
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I think the American Civil War comment was about the unfortunate need for body bags at times. However, I don't think anyone is claiming that we've always been a volunteer force, only that we are today.
 
#42
#42
hey slobberknocker, while you were holding a sign, my old man was holding a freakin gun. If your that old and that wise than be smart enough to show some effing respect to a trooper who is LETTING you have the privlidges you have. Keep that "anti-this and flag burning, hippie, crap off that guys screen. He's been THERE. You were HOLDING A SIGN therefore you CANNOT RELATE. support the troops no matter what.

rock on the realUT! Rock the F on!
 
#43
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TXVOL07 said:
hey slobberknocker, while you were holding a sign, my old man was holding a freakin gun. If your that old and that wise than be smart enough to show some effing respect to a trooper who is LETTING you have the privlidges you have. Keep that "anti-this and flag burning, hippie, crap off that guys screen. He's been THERE. You were HOLDING A SIGN therefore you CANNOT RELATE. support the troops no matter what.

rock on the realUT! Rock the F on!
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couldn't have said it much better myself
 
#44
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TXVOL07 said:
hey slobberknocker, while you were holding a sign, my old man was holding a freakin gun. If your that old and that wise than be smart enough to show some effing respect to a trooper who is LETTING you have the privlidges you have. Keep that "anti-this and flag burning, hippie, crap off that guys screen. He's been THERE. You were HOLDING A SIGN therefore you CANNOT RELATE. support the troops no matter what.

rock on the realUT! Rock the F on!
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Well I hope your father will admit that he held that gun so that slobber could say and do those exact things.
 
#46
#46
utvolpj said:
Well I hope your father will admit that he held that gun so that slobber could say and do those exact things.
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I can tell you for sure that soldiers understand that dynamic, but it's still awfully tough to swallow. One of the great ironies of our hard won freedom. Those who fight for those freedoms are often the least likely to ever exercise the most visible of those freedoms.
 
#48
#48
Im really done with this topic. Once Im pissed, I really cant function. I need to move onto something else.
 
#49
#49
TXVOL07 said:
Im really done with this topic. Once Im pissed, I really cant function. I need to move onto something else.
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why be pissed? The world is full of people who don't merit the oxygen they breathe. Accept that, let them know who they are and life's easier.
 
#50
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BigPapaVol said:
why be pissed? The world is full of people who don't merit the oxygen they breathe. Accept that, let them know who they are and life's easier.
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yeah I know but that guy is older and had his reasons no matter how warped they were. I certainly dont condone that crap, and I really hate ANY disrespect towards the troop. I've got several close friends in and back from I-CRAP and I see what they are like now. Its diffrent. They are diffrent. I'm not going to tolerate a whole bunch of anti-war garbage around them. We were all in college together when 9-11 happened and many of them signed up THE NEXT DAY. Its just a crappy subject regardless of your political views. Bush or no Bush, Democrates or Republicans...whatever, screw it. Here is the point. These guys are troops, not politicians so show respect. Espeacially if you are of the flag burning, weed smoking, "gotta get to canada" variety. Dang it ..I ranted again. my bad.
 
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