Is Barnes expanding rotation?

[GUNTERSVOL]

Just saw a news snippet and he referenced “the young guys” being needed going forward. Estrella could for sure help with bigger bigs and he appears to me to be getting beyond the gawky freshman state. Freddie out top would be nice when we stack up injuries and foul trouble.

Anybody got anything to corroborate or refute this? Could be fearing tight whistle games, especially in post season. Or maybe just trying to manage wear and tear on some of our big minute guys down the stretch in conference.

 

[ColinS]

He said they were trying to on his radio interview. Said that ZZs was playing too many minutes.

 

[BallerVolFan]

He said they were trying to on his radio interview. Said that ZZs was playing too many minutes.

2 reasons…

1. Valuable experience for the younger guys so they aren’t green and essentially freshmen in their sophomore seasons. But as we’ve seen, I believe we’ll only see slight mins from them vs the higher quality teams.

2. To give guys like Aidoo and ZZ a chance to remain as fresh as possible throughout the season. This is another reason why I believe Gainey could be the real X-factor for this team if he turns his minutes into production.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Gotta try and keep those young guys engaged and not get complacent, would love to see us handle business Saturday and those guys get some run.

 

[JohnnyJava]

Interesting. With Vescovi playing reduced minutes this year, and Mashack and Awaka playing nowhere near the minutes they can handle, it is surprising that we are going to see more of Estrella and Dilione.

 

[walkenvol]

Interesting. With Vescovi playing reduced minutes this year, and Mashack and Awaka playing nowhere near the minutes they can handle, it is surprising that we are going to see more of Estrella and Dilione.

I like Awaka, but his inability to play without excessive fouling is offsetting his rebounding contributions in some games. Possible that Estrella is providing as much or more of a net contribution since he’s not giving the other team free throws as much? Estrella’s length also provides better rim protection when Aidoo is sitting.

Dillione hasn’t produced anything close to Mashack’s level of offense, defense, nor ball handling at this point. Dillione was the highest ranked recruit of his class and has been dealing with injury. Maybe he’s starting to show better in practice and earning some minutes? Nothing about his play in the games would justify playing him over Mashack. JMO

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Interesting. With Vescovi playing reduced minutes this year, and Mashack and Awaka playing nowhere near the minutes they can handle, it is surprising that we are going to see more of Estrella and Dilione.

Mashack at 22mpg in conference play is a solid number, playing Awaka is becoming an issue. He’s good and does some very good things, but his fouling issue is a two fold issue 1. It limits how many minutes he can play and 2. It also adds to our team fouls thus putting the opposition into the bonus quicker. He is currently fouling about twice the rate of any other rotational player, not good.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

Just saw a news snippet and he referenced “the young guys” being needed going forward. Estrella could for sure help with bigger bigs and he appears to me to be getting beyond the gawky freshman state. Freddie out top would be nice when we stack up injuries and foul trouble.

Anybody got anything to corroborate or refute this? Could be fearing tight whistle games, especially in post season. Or maybe just trying to manage wear and tear on some of our big minute guys down the stretch in conference.

I do believe you have touched upon what I believe is the reason for our lack of post-season success: we have consistently played a base rotation of seven players (serious minutes) throughout the season. By the time the tournament rolls around, our main guys are worn out and we just don’t have the legs. Plus, we don’t have a bench that has been developed during the season. So we collapse in the early rounds of the tourney.

The regular season is to prepare for the post-season by building depth, team chemistry, etc. I mean, what else really matters? That Williams-Schofield team could have been a Final Four team, as I see it. I have been saying for years that we should have a regular-season rotation of 8-9 players—guys you trust to play at key moments—just to have a chance come tournament time.

JMO, of course.

 

[walkenvol]

I do believe you have touched upon what I believe is the reason for our lack of post-season success: we have consistently played a base rotation of seven players (serious minutes) throughout the season. By the time the tournament rolls around, our main guys are worn out and we just don’t have the legs. Plus, we don’t have a bench that has been developed during the season. So we collapse in the early rounds of the tourney.

The regular season is to prepare for the post-season by building depth, team chemistry, etc. I mean, what else really matters? That Williams-Schofield team could have been a Final Four team, as I see it. I have been saying for years that we should have a regular-season rotation of 8-9 players—guys you trust to play at key moments—just to have a chance come tournament time.

JMO, of course.

This opinion would be more valid with some research. Look at the last 5 years of final 4 teams and see if they play more than 7 players 15+ minutes in the regular season. If CRB plays 6-7 guys significantly heavier minutes than the average of final four teams then this may be a valid point. I suspect the research would prove from the 5 year sampling that the majority play 7 players or less 15+ minutes per game. Would be interesting to know if anyone wants to invest the time to find out.

 

[sami]

Just saw a news snippet and he referenced “the young guys” being needed going forward. Estrella could for sure help with bigger bigs and he appears to me to be getting beyond the gawky freshman state. Freddie out top would be nice when we stack up injuries and foul trouble.

Anybody got anything to corroborate or refute this? Could be fearing tight whistle games, especially in post season. Or maybe just trying to manage wear and tear on some of our big minute guys down the stretch in conference.

I've advocated for a 10 player regular season rotation forever. Get the young guys some seasoning, but most importantly it will keep the core guys fresher for the NCAA's, which has always been an issue with the Barnes teams here. I'm not as concerned with conference play and rankings as I am with getting to March with a healthy, fresh group.

Come tournament time we know that the rotation will shrink to at most 8 guys, but having a couple more players (Estrella and Dillone) who are prepared to step in and contribute in big spots if needed could be the difference between moving on and being eliminated.

 

[chuckiepoo]

This opinion would be more valid with some research. Look at the last 5 years of final 4 teams and see if they play more than 7 players 15+ minutes in the regular season. If CRB plays 6-7 guys significantly heavier minutes than the average of final four teams then this may be a valid point. I suspect the research would prove from the 5 year sampling that the majority play 7 players or less 15+ minutes per game. Would be interesting to know if anyone wants to invest the time to find out.

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[GUNTERSVOL]

This opinion would be more valid with some research. Look at the last 5 years of final 4 teams and see if they play more than 7 players 15+ minutes in the regular season. If CRB plays 6-7 guys significantly heavier minutes than the average of final four teams then this may be a valid point. I suspect the research would prove from the 5 year sampling that the majority play 7 players or less 15+ minutes per game. Would be interesting to know if anyone wants to invest the time to find out.

Would love to see those numbers, but that would not define the motivations of CRB IF IF IF this is really an objective. My HOPE would be the next strata below starters and short bench is the ability levels of the next tier and being able to gain ground with needed or favorable matchups while letting some guys catch a breather, especially when you play more than one midweek and one weekend game.

Will be checking game minutes going forward to see if this is a real or realizable objective.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I've advocated for a 10 player regular season rotation forever. Get the young guys some seasoning, but most importantly it will keep the core guys fresher for the NCAA's, which has always been an issue with the Barnes teams here. I'm not as concerned with conference play and rankings as I am with getting to March with a healthy, fresh group.

Come tournament time we know that the rotation will shrink to at most 8 guys, but having a couple more players (Estrella and Dillone) who are prepared to step in and contribute in big spots if needed could be the difference between moving on and being eliminated.

I think that the staff was planning on more minutes for Dilione but they weren’t expecting him to be dealing with his health issues and ZZ to be back to nearly 100% so quickly.

Inside I think that they knew they needed more than Aidoo/Awaka and used Phillips off the bench earlier for a few games to motivate Estrella.

I think they’ll go 10 deep if possible, but you can’t trust the two true freshmen posts and Dilione probably needs the off season to rehab. The other two (DJ/Cam) certainly look like they won’t be contributing significantly before next year and that seems like where Phillips is heading as well.

 

[aWhiteLoftonChism]

I do believe you have touched upon what I believe is the reason for our lack of post-season success: we have consistently played a base rotation of seven players (serious minutes) throughout the season. By the time the tournament rolls around, our main guys are worn out and we just don’t have the legs. Plus, we don’t have a bench that has been developed during the season. So we collapse in the early rounds of the tourney.

The regular season is to prepare for the post-season by building depth, team chemistry, etc. I mean, what else really matters? That Williams-Schofield team could have been a Final Four team, as I see it. I have been saying for years that we should have a regular-season rotation of 8-9 players—guys you trust to play at key moments—just to have a chance come tournament time.

JMO, of course.

Barnes has consistently played 8-9 players. Injuries and a BS call beat the Grant/Admiral 2019 team. Not a short bench at all imho.
They had Lamonte Fulky Pons and maybe Derrick Walker ???
This year they have Tobe, Gainey, Shak, and Dilione.

 

[Volfan1000]

He said they were trying to on his radio interview. Said that ZZs was playing too many minutes.

Barnes is playing Dillone more to cut back on Seigler's minutes and Estrella is getting some minutes when Aidoo and Awaka encounter foul trouble.

I would not be shocked if Phillips gets a few minutes here and there as the season rolls along.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Our schedule still has a lot of tough games left on it. Gonna need everybody that can contribute.

 

[Kas232323]

I do believe you have touched upon what I believe is the reason for our lack of post-season success: we have consistently played a base rotation of seven players (serious minutes) throughout the season. By the time the tournament rolls around, our main guys are worn out and we just don’t have the legs. Plus, we don’t have a bench that has been developed during the season. So we collapse in the early rounds of the tourney.

The regular season is to prepare for the post-season by building depth, team chemistry, etc. I mean, what else really matters? That Williams-Schofield team could have been a Final Four team, as I see it. I have been saying for years that we should have a regular-season rotation of 8-9 players—guys you trust to play at key moments—just to have a chance come tournament time.

JMO, of course.

Zero correlation for post season success by having a deeper bench through the season. I don’t understand why people keep bringing this up. We have never lost in the tourney because our guys were tired at the end of the season. 2 of Barnes teams had a significant injury (Alexander and ZZ). A couple of others were due to questionable calls, and some bad luck, etc.
not attacking you or anything but people keep coming on here with this narrative and it’s just completely false.

 

[Kas232323]

I've advocated for a 10 player regular season rotation forever. Get the young guys some seasoning, but most importantly it will keep the core guys fresher for the NCAA's, which has always been an issue with the Barnes teams here. I'm not as concerned with conference play and rankings as I am with getting to March with a healthy, fresh group.

Come tournament time we know that the rotation will shrink to at most 8 guys, but having a couple more players (Estrella and Dillone) who are prepared to step in and contribute in big spots if needed could be the difference between moving on and being eliminated.

Would you be okay with a couple of more losses under that scenario and perhaps a worse seed in the tourney?

 

[walkenvol]

I think that the staff was planning on more minutes for Dilione but they weren’t expecting him to be dealing with his health issues and ZZ to be back to nearly 100% so quickly.

Inside I think that they knew they needed more than Aidoo/Awaka and used Phillips off the bench earlier for a few games to motivate Estrella.

I think they’ll go 10 deep if possible, but you can’t trust the two true freshmen posts and Dilione probably needs the off season to rehab. The other two (DJ/Cam) certainly look like they won’t be contributing significantly before next year and that seems like where Phillips is heading as well.

Hopefully, Cam and Phillips will discover an injury that prevents them from playing the remainder of the season and allows a medical red shirt. Shame to waste a season of eligibility on the very limited minutes they will have played.

 

[BearBryant]

Just saw a news snippet and he referenced “the young guys” being needed going forward. Estrella could for sure help with bigger bigs and he appears to me to be getting beyond the gawky freshman state. Freddie out top would be nice when we stack up injuries and foul trouble.

Anybody got anything to corroborate or refute this? Could be fearing tight whistle games, especially in post season. Or maybe just trying to manage wear and tear on some of our big minute guys down the stretch in conference.

Shouldn't all coaches attempt to develop younger players, increase depth, prepare for foul trouble, injuries, rest players for a long season? Maybe he is a good coach.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Hopefully, Cam and Phillips will discover an injury that prevents them from playing the remainder of the season and allows a medical red shirt. Same to waste a season of eligibility on the very limited minutes they will have played.

Anybody got the data to define if that is still possible for these two guys? Would think it is too late for that. In general I think I have heard BB is a lot less flexible than football on redshirting, i.e. I think I heard unlike the 4 games in football, play in 1 game and you are all in. ANYBODY?

 

[BACKDOC]

Just saw a news snippet and he referenced “the young guys” being needed going forward. Estrella could for sure help with bigger bigs and he appears to me to be getting beyond the gawky freshman state. Freddie out top would be nice when we stack up injuries and foul trouble.

Anybody got anything to corroborate or refute this? Could be fearing tight whistle games, especially in post season. Or maybe just trying to manage wear and tear on some of our big minute guys down the stretch in conference.

Talk is cheap when it comes to Barnes. Look how we still had our starters in there with a huge lead vs Bama late.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Anybody got the data to define if that is still possible for these two guys? Would think it is too late for that. In general I think I have heard BB is a lot less flexible than football on redshirting, i.e. I think I heard unlike the 4 games in football, play in 1 game and you are all in. ANYBODY?

I think they probably qualify in number of games played (under 31%). The other participation rule for medical hardship waivers is 100% of all playing time must be in the first half of the season.

The most likely scenario for either to get another year is if a redshirt rule like football’s is added in a year or two and is applied retroactively. Barnes is on the NCAA rules committee.

Dilione has already used a redshirt, but he’ll probably go play pro ball (or transfer) before a 5th year anyway.

 

[Dougie_D]

I think it’s more of a statement for the upperclassman to have large leads so he can have the youngsters get playing time. I don’t think we utilized them when we were playing against Georgia

 

[birdie74]

This opinion would be more valid with some research. Look at the last 5 years of final 4 teams and see if they play more than 7 players 15+ minutes in the regular season. If CRB plays 6-7 guys significantly heavier minutes than the average of final four teams then this may be a valid point. I suspect the research would prove from the 5 year sampling that the majority play 7 players or less 15+ minutes per game. Would be interesting to know if anyone wants to invest the time to find out.

You also have to look at the style a team plays. Barnes' teams play a high intensity, max effort style that is very physically demanding. Lots of pressing, overplaying and help-side/support defense that takes a toll on a 6-7 player rotation. There is no question in my simple mind that this has been a factor at tournament time in years past...