Is Barnes expanding rotation?

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sami said:
I'm giving my opinion, which is presumably what we do on public forums like this. There are pros and cons to any and every decision, but to me the 'cost' of a possibly lower seed is outweighed by the benefits of expanding the regular season rotation. That isn't 'oversimplifying' or 'overreacting', it is simply my opinion based on years of watching solid UT teams fail in March. If your view is different, that's fine, and it's why forums like this are valuable to the fan base.
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If that’s how you feel, maybe don’t insult people who disagree with you? You’re free to have your opinion but you come off like a jerk when you act like your opinion is the only valid one. I bolded the part of your post I objected to, so it shouldn’t be hard to decipher.

Ignoring the cons (you still didn’t mention possible effects on chemistry amongst your starters) and saying that “this isn’t rocket science” is absolutely oversimplifying. If you want to have a discussion, that’s fine, but I am getting the impression that what you really want is to spout off your opinions while the rest of us either nod along or shut up.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
If that’s how you feel, maybe don’t insult people who disagree with you? You’re free to have your opinion but you come off like a jerk when you act like your opinion is the only valid one. I bolded the part of your post I objected to, so it shouldn’t be hard to decipher.

Ignoring the cons (you still didn’t mention possible effects on chemistry amongst your starters) and saying that “this isn’t rocket science” is absolutely oversimplifying. If you want to have a discussion, that’s fine, but I am getting the impression that what you really want is to spout off your opinions while the rest of us either nod along or shut up.
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You're right, it was really harsh. Enjoy your weekend.
 
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sami said:
I'm giving my opinion, which is presumably what we do on public forums like this. There are pros and cons to any and every decision, but to me the 'cost' of a possibly lower seed is outweighed by the benefits of expanding the regular season rotation. That isn't 'oversimplifying' or 'overreacting', it is simply my opinion based on years of watching solid UT teams fail in March. If your view is different, that's fine, and it's why forums like this are valuable to the fan base.
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The easiest path for success in the NCAA tournament is being a 1 seed. Winning the SEC reg season at 15-3 would likely guarantee it. Not sure I'm ready to take a loss for rotational experiments.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
The easiest path for success in the NCAA tournament is being a 1 seed. Winning the SEC reg season at 15-3 would likely guarantee it. Not sure I'm ready to take a loss for rotational experiments.
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There are certainly different ways to look at it, but I'm less concerned with the regular season and seeding than I am being fresh and healthy for March, and possibly having a couple more players ready to contribute if needed. Winning the conference and getting a 1 seed would be wonderful, but not at the cost of going into the tournament on fumes. But it isn't a zero-sum game, so a little of both would be perfect.
 
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ColinS said:
Awaka is a world class rebounder but doesn't do anything else on the basketball court that you need from a center well...... then again, he is a world class rebounder so you keep putting him in.
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Really would like for Awaka to get more 4 minutes and Estrella more 5. When those matchups work.
 
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sami said:
There are certainly different ways to look at it, but I'm less concerned with the regular season and seeding than I am being fresh and healthy for March, and possibly having a couple more players ready to contribute if needed. Winning the conference and getting a 1 seed would be wonderful, but not at the cost of going into the tournament on fumes. But it isn't a zero-sum game, so a little of both would be perfect.
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Inevitably, we're going to fall behind in some games. At those times, giving additional minutes to guys like Dillione and Estrella is prudent. Especially if they contribute to meaningful comebacks. Being down 20 with 12 min to play and cutting it to 5 with 3 minutes to play instills confidence in coaches and players moving forward
 
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jarnol32 said:
Not so odd when you look at Gaineys stats. He’s shooting 29% from 3 and 34% from the field. He averages one turnover and one assist per game, and 2 rebounds per game. I just don’t understand how a guy shooting those percentages gets the green light especially in a Rick Barnes offense. Not to mention Gainey gets blown by on defense more than any guard we have.
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Carr’s 3 PT% is worse and I’m sure he plays worse defense if he’s not playing. He’ll get there but he’s not there yet.

Gainey has years of a decent 3PT% at the college level, it makes sense to continue using him in limited minutes during a cold streak rather than trusting a true freshman
 
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sami said:
I've advocated for a 10 player regular season rotation forever. Get the young guys some seasoning, but most importantly it will keep the core guys fresher for the NCAA's, which has always been an issue with the Barnes teams here. I'm not as concerned with conference play and rankings as I am with getting to March with a healthy, fresh group.

Come tournament time we know that the rotation will shrink to at most 8 guys, but having a couple more players (Estrella and Dillone) who are prepared to step in and contribute in big spots if needed could be the difference between moving on and being eliminated.
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Amen to this. I second this motion.
 
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birdie74 said:
You also have to look at the style a team plays. Barnes' teams play a high intensity, max effort style that is very physically demanding. Lots of pressing, overplaying and help-side/support defense that takes a toll on a 6-7 player rotation. There is no question in my simple mind that this has been a factor at tournament time in years past...
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Absolutely agree.
 
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I'm really pulling for Dilione to get more minutes but the guy can't walk on the court and turn it over within 1 minute. I think Tobe will work out of his fouling issues as it wasn't nearly this much of a problem last year. Still think we need to get 20 pts off the bench. Knecht can't continue to get 30 per game....or can he?
 
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Namorto1 said:
I'm really pulling for Dilione to get more minutes but the guy can't walk on the court and turn it over within 1 minute. I think Tobe will work out of his fouling issues as it wasn't nearly this much of a problem last year. Still think we need to get 20 pts off the bench. Knecht can't continue to get 30 per game....or can he?
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I like our subs to be Mashack, Gainey, Awaka, and Estrella. No need for more than that
 
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2EastTnVols said:
I liked that we gave the guys enough rest over the course of the game that we could go with the starters for the final 7 minutes. Slammed the door on them
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Yeah, Barnes was right on with the rotations tonight. Love the fact that Estrella is getting quality minutes and he's contributing. The kid plays with fire and a little attitude, and he's earning Barnes' confidence, which is huge.
 
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sami said:
I'm basing it on 2nd half fades in some winnable tournament games. Is it absolutely fatigue? I can't say for certain, but shooting suddenly disappearing, defensive rotations not as sharp, lack of effort on the boards - these are all things that can be attributed to fatigue.

I have no hard evidence, it's only my feeling. But I don't see the downside of getting a couple of talented freshmen some experience in conference play and lessening the minutes of the core players. Is potentially being a 3 seed instead of a 2 too big a price to pay for having a fresher core group and a deeper bench ready for March? It certainly isn't to me.
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Thanks...I wasn't sure if you had seen a report or other study but, if you believe the analysis by Will Schreefer (posted by @KTrain ), then a short bench (i.e., high minutes for starters) leads to better performance.

Having said that, it wouldn't hurt to shave a couple min/game from DK (really need SV and Gainey to consistently step up for this to happen) and ZZ (not sure Dilione can really provide what we need for this season). 100% agree on getting Estrella more reps...as we saw yesterday, we will need his length down the road for some match ups and/or when Aidoo/Awaka get in foul trouble.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Thanks...I wasn't sure if you had seen a report or other study but, if you believe the analysis by Will Schreefer (posted by @KTrain ), then a short bench (i.e., high minutes for starters) leads to better performance.

Having said that, it wouldn't hurt to shave a couple min/game from DK (really need SV and Gainey to consistently step up for this to happen) and ZZ (not sure Dilione can really provide what we need for this season). 100% agree on getting Estrella more reps...as we saw yesterday, we will need his length down the road for some match ups and/or when Aidoo/Awaka get in foul trouble.
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I don't disagree at all in the shorter bench for tournament play, and have said so all along. I'm referring to the regular season, where not running the core guys into the ground might have them a bit fresher for March. The added benefit of finding a kid like Estrella being ready to step in for a few key minutes if needed in March is a bonus.
 
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Even though Vandy is weak and has no inside presence at all their guards played very good last night and kept them in the game. They gave ZZ trouble early with the double team and eat Dillione alive in his couple of minutes. I'm sure Barnes would have loved to get him a lilltle more run. Estrella needs to be the backup center at this point.
 
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