Is Butch actually recruiting players..

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tim said:
Maybe system changes hampered them. Maybe they are overrated. Maybe, if you paid attention you would know JJames said his growth was stunted because he chose not to work out as a freshman. If Im not mistaken they have the best rushing stats of their careers. Sometimes knowledge helps with perspective.
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Not an excuse, although yards gained on the ground increased this year, such was a development at the Running Back position, not at O-Line. If you look at pass protection and missed blocks, this year's O-Line has underachieved compared to their performance last year.
 
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sjt18 said:
I've told people here before that if the inherited players do not "fit his scheme" that he has a very funny way of showing it. The ones he's recruiting are VERY similar in size and athleticism except the OL's are slower.
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Athletes can play in any scheme I believe outside of the QB in the read option. I do not think a QB like Bray could play in this offense once it is fully implemented. The concern I have about this O is all the good read option teams have a dynamic QB and I am not sure Dobbs is that player maybe Ferguson is but that is another unanswered question I have.
 
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"Is Butch actually recruiting players to fit his system . . . "


This class will do a lot to fix some of the glaring depth issues. Next year will not be pretty in terms of record, but it will hold more promise and I think the incoming Freshmen will show the SEC why they were a top-ranked recruiting class. Lots of speed and talent coming in. The speed boost will be pretty evident, I think. Especially on special teams and defense when we play SEC teams. Think next year we will see better cadence from our QB to our WRs (well, surely - but a big overhaul coming in). Plus our LB corps is completely re-stocked. Next year will be more entertaining to watch, that much I know. Hopefully we see more of a "system" with all the incoming talent and experience left on the team.
 
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supersmo18 said:
You aren't kidding... the difference is that this mood has lingered around longer than after the other losses.
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Yes, because it was Vandy, and UT should have won that game. It was a must win, and it was a could win. It was the biggest failure of the season from the top down, and it should never have happed.

That game, and the performance of all involved, have left a lot of us worrying about how the team will perform against UK. Did you ever think you'd see the day? I sure didn't.

I'm not saying we should bash, bash, bash, but we should at least be authentic about what happened, and how it happened, because we are otherwise setting ourselves up for further disappointment.
 
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He is recruiting for Dooleys scheme. He was only hired to continue the great decline of Tennessee football. Its the great Alabama Florida scandal. Haven't you HURD?????
 
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That's like saying someone needs a Ford F-150 for their construction business, but buys a Prius instead. Of course he's recruiting kids that fit his system. I'm sure he's taking some chances on kids that don't fit exactly because they are a stud at their position, but come on.
 
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So since we lost to Vandy, now Butch can't recruit either despite the #2 ranked class. Our fans, unbelievable.
 
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fade route said:
So since we lost to Vandy, now Butch can't recruit either despite the #2 ranked class. Our fans, unbelievable.
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I know our class is ranked #2 by the experts and the experts predicted a 5-7 season with the talent we have but the experts on here know more.
 
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turdherder11 said:
give CBJ a couple of years. i think ferguson is the best we got. he was injured when worely went down, and didn't want to burn the redshirt with 1-2 games left. good wr's would really help too. they never find a way to get open. with the help thats coming in at wr. should help
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I think starting this off season CBJ and his staff has to do a better job developing QBs and recruiting them.
 
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fade route said:
So since we lost to Vandy, now Butch can't recruit either despite the #2 ranked class. Our fans, unbelievable.
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We could have the #1 class by 1,000 pts and people would still complain that Butch's "system" (whatever the hell that means) is too ineffective to get the most out of them.

If Butch were installing a Stanford-style power running game and we went 3 and out over and over and over because it takes a while to adjust schemes, people would be livid about that, too.
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
I hate his offense ... so i'm hoping for athletes

It always made me laugh when people talked about recruiting for a scheme...

Give me the fastest and the biggest ... or at least the fastest>>> lol
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Finally! Someone else hates the spread option BS too.
 
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What in the world else do you want in a class: top 5, mean with size and speed. a bucket full of stars.....fit his system, man this class would fit anybody's system....what am I missing?????
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
I hate his offense ... so i'm hoping for athletes

It always made me laugh when people talked about recruiting for a scheme...

Give me the fastest and the biggest ... or at least the fastest>>> lol
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We honestly man that's where FB is moving too. Unless you have the players the Bama you will struggle trying to beat someone with a pro style offense. I personally like the spread and wish we would have transitioned to it earlier.

You guys talk about scheme and coaches being able to out scheme the opponent well the pro-style doesn't allow that so much. With the right athletes the spread will allow you to create multiple mismatches. Outside of Bama I just don't see many people winning with the prostyle.
 
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knoxvol16 said:
Yes, because it was Vandy, and UT should have won that game. It was a must win, and it was a could win. It was the biggest failure of the season from the top down, and it should never have happed.

That game, and the performance of all involved, have left a lot of us worrying about how the team will perform against UK. Did you ever think you'd see the day? I sure didn't.

I'm not saying we should bash, bash, bash, but we should at least be authentic about what happened, and how it happened, because we are otherwise setting ourselves up for further disappointment.
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I know I'm setting myself up for a bashing, but it honestly looked like Tennessee and Vandy are even talentwise for the most part. I know the recruiting ratings say otherwise, but I think that if UT and Vandy were to play 100 times, it would be around 50 wins for Tennessee and 50 wins for Vanderbilt. There were some questionable calls made by CBJ (and for the record, I think that was probably his worst game of the season from a coaching standpoint, save for the first half of the UF game when he started Peterman), but I can't really say that the Vanderbilt game changed anything for me about how I view the long term direction of this program.

I certainly think that game made the season go from a possibly successful one to a mediocre one, but one game shouldn't affect how you view the program's long term trajectory. Hell, we're all tired of having our asses kicked all the time and finishing in the cellar of the SEC. I certainly get those who are mad about the Vandy loss. Hell, I was probably madder than anyone else, considering I was sitting next to the Vandy fan section and behind their damn band, but having that one night stain where you think the program over the next 3-5 years is asinine.
 
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17Vols said:
Finally! Someone else hates the spread option BS too.
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Would you prefer we go back to the single wing? Maybe the veer or wishbone would be more to your liking.

What SYSTEM or SCHEME do you have that makes a
TRUE freshman quarterback throw the ball away, rather than throwing a desperation interception or running backwards for 18 yards and taking a sack.

That isn't the coach's fault. That is a kid being a kid.

Also we've known all season that our receivers were still learning how to run PRECISE routes and they bobble too many passes.

We've played a schedule that would have made Eisenhower cancel D Day and you people think a coach can magically turn around four years of crap.

Seriously?
 
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knoxvol16 said:
Yes, because it was Vandy, and UT should have won that game. It was a must win, and it was a could win. It was the biggest failure of the season from the top down, and it should never have happed.

That game, and the performance of all involved, have left a lot of us worrying about how the team will perform against UK. Did you ever think you'd see the day? I sure didn't.

I'm not saying we should bash, bash, bash, but we should at least be authentic about what happened, and how it happened, because we are otherwise setting ourselves up for further disappointment.
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Obviously you havent thought about where we've been in the last 5 yrs. Firing Fulmer, Kiffin Leaving, Dooley fired. - No standout recruits during that time, no foundation being built, loss of respect for coaches, lack of discipline, lack of talent, fan hate towards the team, and losing games because of all those reason and more. Vandy on the other hand has been on the way to being more competitive with their new coach. If you ignore that, than you are blind plus they beat GA this year also. Give Jones a chance. Im glad you aren't the VOLS AD heck we'd go through 14 coaches in 14 games. Take a look at ALABAMAS 1st season with saban

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Maybe Alabama shouldve fired Saban after his 2007 year:salute:
 
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I truly think people have forgotten what a dumpster fire of a program the Dallas Cowboys wide receiver coach left for us. Even David Cutcliffe said "thanks but no thanks" and stayed at Duke.

Coach Majors had it right. Tennessee fans are the "legions of the miserable".
 
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lonelawyer said:
I truly think people have forgotten what a dumpster fire of a program the Dallas Cowboys wide receiver coach left for us. Even David Cutcliffe said "thanks but no thanks" and stayed at Duke.

Coach Majors had it right. Tennessee fans are the "legions of the miserable".
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it would be a negitive, if I was being recruited by Tennessee. All you have to do is be at a game when were two touchdowns down at half time, and watch all the "TRUE TENNESSEE FANS" leave and gripe about how we are piss poor
 
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lonelawyer said:
Would you prefer we go back to the single wing? Maybe the veer or wishbone would be more to your liking.

What SYSTEM or SCHEME do you have that makes a
TRUE freshman quarterback throw the ball away, rather than throwing a desperation interception or running backwards for 18 yards and taking a sack.

That isn't the coach's fault. That is a kid being a kid.

Also we've known all season that our receivers were still learning how to run PRECISE routes and they bobble too many passes.

We've played a schedule that would have made Eisenhower cancel D Day and you people think a coach can magically turn around four years of crap.

Seriously?
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No.

Most people thought that the Vols would have a shot against a marginally talented Vandy squad at home with a potential bowl berth on the line though.

True freshman or not, Dobbs has been on campus long enough and been the starting QB for a month now.

That play you mentioned is a reflection of the preparation or, lack of, he has apparently been getting with first team reps the last month.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
No.

Most people thought that the Vols would have a shot against a marginally talented Vandy squad at home with a potential bowl berth on the line though.

True freshman or not, Dobbs has been on campus long enough and been the starting QB for a month now.

That play you mentioned is a reflection of the preparation or, lack of, he has apparently been getting with first team reps the last month.
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Still a freshman, on most good teams in the SEC a freshman should never start, bc its silly to think your going to get senior like play or anything close to it out of him when playing physical SEC opponents.
 
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