Is Butch actually recruiting players..

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JonGrudensAgent said:
No.

Most people thought that the Vols would have a shot against a marginally talented Vandy squad at home with a potential bowl berth on the line though.

True freshman or not, Dobbs has been on campus long enough and been the starting QB for a month now.

That play you mentioned is a reflection of the preparation or, lack of, he has apparently been getting with first team reps the last month.
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Explain Vandy blew them out last season and this season we have the same D and and lost 3 skill players to the NFL. So when you say most do you mean the ones who ignored that fact.
 
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BigTCountry said:
Obviously you havent thought about where we've been in the last 5 yrs. Firing Fulmer, Kiffin Leaving, Dooley fired. - No standout recruits during that time, no foundation being built, loss of respect for coaches, lack of discipline, lack of talent, fan hate towards the team, and losing games because of all those reason and more. Vandy on the other hand has been on the way to being more competitive with their new coach. If you ignore that, than you are blind plus they beat GA this year also. Give Jones a chance. Im glad you aren't the VOLS AD heck we'd go through 14 coaches in 14 games. Take a look at ALABAMAS 1st season with saban

ALABAMAS 2007 FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
RECORD: 7-6
DATE OPPONENT

9-1-07 WESTERN CAROLINA WON 52-6 Western Carolina at Alabama Football Tickets

9-8-07 at Vanderbilt WON 24-10 Alabama at Vanderbilt Football Tickets

9-15-07 ARKANSAS WON 41-38 Arkansas at Alabama Football Tickets

9-22-07 GEORGIA LOST 23-26 (OT) Georgia at Alabama Football Tickets

9-29-07 vs. Florida State @Jacksonville, FL LOST 14-21 Alabama vs. Florida State Football Tickets

10-6-07 HOUSTON WON 30-24 Houston at Alabama Football Tickets

10-13-07 at Mississippi WON 27-24 Alabama at Ole Miss Football Tickets

10-20-07 TENNESSEE WON 41-17 Tennessee at Alabama Football Tickets

11-3-07 LOUISIANA STATE LOST 34-41 LSU at Alabama Football Tickets

11-10-07 at Mississippi State LOST 12-17 Alabama at Mississippi State Football Tickets

11-17-07 LOUISIANA-MONROE LOST 14-21 Louisiana-Monroe at Alabama Football Tickets

11-24-07 at Auburn LOST 10-17 Alabama at Auburn Football Tickets

INDEPENDENCE BOWL @Shreveport, LA
12-30-07 Colorado WON 30-24


Maybe Alabama shouldve fired Saban after his 2007 year:salute:
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Most UT fans would take that season all week long and twice on Sunday. Just sayin'
 
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BigTCountry said:
Obviously you havent thought about where we've been in the last 5 yrs. Firing Fulmer, Kiffin Leaving, Dooley fired. - No standout recruits during that time, no foundation being built, loss of respect for coaches, lack of discipline, lack of talent, fan hate towards the team, and losing games because of all those reason and more. Vandy on the other hand has been on the way to being more competitive with their new coach. If you ignore that, than you are blind plus they beat GA this year also. Give Jones a chance. Im glad you aren't the VOLS AD heck we'd go through 14 coaches in 14 games. Take a look at ALABAMAS 1st season with saban

ALABAMAS 2007 FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
RECORD: 7-6
DATE OPPONENT

9-1-07 WESTERN CAROLINA WON 52-6 Western Carolina at Alabama Football Tickets

9-8-07 at Vanderbilt WON 24-10 Alabama at Vanderbilt Football Tickets

9-15-07 ARKANSAS WON 41-38 Arkansas at Alabama Football Tickets

9-22-07 GEORGIA LOST 23-26 (OT) Georgia at Alabama Football Tickets

9-29-07 vs. Florida State @Jacksonville, FL LOST 14-21 Alabama vs. Florida State Football Tickets

10-6-07 HOUSTON WON 30-24 Houston at Alabama Football Tickets

10-13-07 at Mississippi WON 27-24 Alabama at Ole Miss Football Tickets

10-20-07 TENNESSEE WON 41-17 Tennessee at Alabama Football Tickets

11-3-07 LOUISIANA STATE LOST 34-41 LSU at Alabama Football Tickets

11-10-07 at Mississippi State LOST 12-17 Alabama at Mississippi State Football Tickets

11-17-07 LOUISIANA-MONROE LOST 14-21 Louisiana-Monroe at Alabama Football Tickets

11-24-07 at Auburn LOST 10-17 Alabama at Auburn Football Tickets

INDEPENDENCE BOWL @Shreveport, LA
12-30-07 Colorado WON 30-24


Maybe Alabama shouldve fired Saban after his 2007 year:salute:
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This is one of the dumbest posts I have seen in awhile.

The Vols didn't beat Georgia.

Franklin has been on the job at Vandy for 3 years now so I don't think the term new applies. He also owns a 2-1 advantage over the Vols including an OT loss with much less talent.

The Saban analogy is pointless on multiple levels.

I guess another thing we can take away from that schedule you posted is that Saban blew out UT in his first year proving that he knows how to win rivalry games, even with a new team, and Jones doesn't.
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
I hate his offense ... so i'm hoping for athletes

It always made me laugh when people talked about recruiting for a scheme...

Give me the fastest and the biggest ... or at least the fastest>>> lol
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You would be a fool to not recruit for your style of play. You would lose a lot of games. You would be a losing fool.
 
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volfan411 said:
Explain Vandy blew them out last season and this season we have the same D and and lost 3 skill players to the NFL. So when you say most do you mean the ones who ignored that fact.
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It's the same type of people who's reasoning for why we'd beat Vandy was, "We're UT and they're Vanderbilt and that's just how it is."
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
This is one of the dumbest posts I have seen in awhile.

The Vols didn't beat Georgia.

Franklin has been on the job at Vandy for 3 years now so I don't think the term new applies. He also owns a 2-1 advantage over the Vols including an OT loss with much less talent.

The Saban analogy is pointless on multiple levels.

I guess another thing we can take away from that schedule you posted is that Saban blew out UT in his first year proving that he knows how to win rivalry games, even with a new team, and Jones doesn't.
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I wasnt saying the VOLS beat GA I was at that game, Vandy beat GA this year. And since the saban anaolgy is so stupid explain why Butch should have already turned this team around in less than one year. Please tell me because he(saban) lost to some pretty horrible teams his first year coaching at alabama, so justify Tennessee being in a better position to win all these games with the hard schedule we have had compared to the easier schedule Saban had his first year if its all Butches fault? Also, you made my point with Franklin, he is still new he hasnt been there long enough to see his freshman recruits graduate. Expect better days for Vandy
 
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KingNick865 said:
It's the same type of people who's reasoning for why we'd beat Vandy was, "We're UT and they're Vanderbilt and that's just how it is."
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Most on here had unrealistic expectations for the season. I heard a reporter on the radio the week before the AU game and he said he would be surprised if UT stayed within 3 TD's of AU. Now that is coming from a outsider looking in who sees the roster issues and understands where we are a program right now.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
Havent you heard? They're overrated. All the other powerhouse division 1 programs that offered them were stupid to offer......
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The OL is probably the most baffling group on this team all were highly recruited and started their career here under a former NFL coach and then last season were coached by a highly respected college coach and I have not seen any improvement from them form the day they stepped on campus to now. IMO they either have had bad coaching for 4 years or were all busts in recruiting.
 
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volfan411 said:
The OL is probably the most baffling group on this team all were highly recruited and started their career here under a former NFL coach and then last season were coached by a highly respected college coach and IMO have been a bust all 4 years they were here.
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That sentence was the most baffling I've read in a while. :dance2: Maybe I just need another cup of coffee. :p
 
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#65
All these keyboard Head Coaches and Coordinators on this thread. I swear our fans are the worst. Let this man do his job and coach. Looking at our 14' and 15' class he must be doing something right because if he wasn't most of these kids would've jumped ship by now and commited somewhere else. So all you NEGAVOLS shut your crapper and so some respect support OUR team or go route for somebody else because we don't need you. Oh and btw these recruits do read these threads. GO Vols!!!!!
 
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knoxvol16 said:
Yes, because it was Vandy, and UT should have won that game. It was a must win, and it was a could win. It was the biggest failure of the season from the top down, and it should never have happed.

That game, and the performance of all involved, have left a lot of us worrying about how the team will perform against UK. Did you ever think you'd see the day? I sure didn't.

I'm not saying we should bash, bash, bash, but we should at least be authentic about what happened, and how it happened, because we are otherwise setting ourselves up for further disappointment.
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You haven't watched football this year. Vandy is better than we are at almost every position. They should have beat Ole Miss. We are just really bad from a talent perspective. No way we "should have" beat Vandy.
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Dougie_D said:
to fit his system? Has anyone looked into that?

If so, I'm not too concerned about the recruiting class. Not all the best players fit your system.
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well you being not concerned made my Thanksgiving. Damn people are stupid, have you even looked at our class? It is top notch.
 
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With his future at stake CBJ knows he must make sound recruiting decisions . Not every prospect is gonna work out, we've seen it time and again. Size and speed is the order of the day. :dunno:
 
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rcvol said:
You haven't watched football this year. Vandy is better than we are at almost every position. They should have beat Ole Miss. We are just really bad from a talent perspective. No way we "should have" beat Vandy.
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First of all, you're wrong. I've watched a lot of football this year. Also, in other discussion threads I spoke about how the team could not treat that game like a guaranteed win. The "must win" comment in my other post stemmed from the same perspective that every other fan, commentator, and program representative had already stated prior to the game in an effort to further define and remind all of our self-imposed goal(s).

With their injuries, we actually matched up quite well with Vandy going into Saturday's game. What's most upsetting, is that UT was out coached for a second year in a row. Props to James Franklin on that.

Sadly, I know quite well where the program is. And, if I had but one small opportunity to make a case of what games on our schedule this year were "must wins," even without a bowl game on the line, it would have been Vandy and (not "or") Kentucky.
 
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KingNick865 said:
I know I'm setting myself up for a bashing, but it honestly looked like Tennessee and Vandy are even talentwise for the most part. I know the recruiting ratings say otherwise, but I think that if UT and Vandy were to play 100 times, it would be around 50 wins for Tennessee and 50 wins for Vanderbilt. There were some questionable calls made by CBJ (and for the record, I think that was probably his worst game of the season from a coaching standpoint, save for the first half of the UF game when he started Peterman), but I can't really say that the Vanderbilt game changed anything for me about how I view the long term direction of this program.

I certainly think that game made the season go from a possibly successful one to a mediocre one, but one game shouldn't affect how you view the program's long term trajectory. Hell, we're all tired of having our asses kicked all the time and finishing in the cellar of the SEC. I certainly get those who are mad about the Vandy loss. Hell, I was probably madder than anyone else, considering I was sitting next to the Vandy fan section and behind their damn band, but having that one night stain where you think the program over the next 3-5 years is asinine.
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I don't think you're wrong. In the context of what it means for the 2013 team, those 2010-12 class rankings are all smoke and mirrors.
 
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knoxvol16 said:
First of all, you're wrong. I've watched a lot of football this year. Also, in other discussion threads I spoke about how the team could not treat that game like a guaranteed win. The "must win" comment in my other post stemmed from the same perspective that every other fan, commentator, and program representative had already stated prior to the game in an effort to further define and remind all of our self-imposed goal(s).

With their injuries, we actually matched up quite well with Vandy going into Saturday's game. What's most upsetting, is that UT was out coached for a second year in a row. Props to James Franklin on that.

Sadly, I know quite well where the program is. And, if I had but one small opportunity to make a case of what games on our schedule this year were "must wins," even without a bowl game on the line, it would have been Vandy and (not "or") Kentucky.
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I agree with a lot of what you said. But the primary reason for this loss was the QB position. We were one dimensional all night long. I do think that our play calling was suspect at times. But let's be honest, if our QB play wouldn't have been absolutely pathetic, we win that game.
 
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knoxvol16 said:
First of all, you're wrong. I've watched a lot of football this year. Also, in other discussion threads I spoke about how the team could not treat that game like a guaranteed win. The "must win" comment in my other post stemmed from the same perspective that every other fan, commentator, and program representative had already stated prior to the game in an effort to further define and remind all of our self-imposed goal(s).

With their injuries, we actually matched up quite well with Vandy going into Saturday's game. What's most upsetting, is that UT was out coached for a second year in a row. Props to James Franklin on that.

Sadly, I know quite well where the program is. And, if I had but one small opportunity to make a case of what games on our schedule this year were "must wins," even without a bowl game on the line, it would have been Vandy and (not "or") Kentucky.
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must win and might win is two different things. they killed us last year. and will continue to do so if our recruiting and speed doesnt improve, that coach has that program moving in the right direction and as tennessee, georgia, and Florida perform below their programs expectations and Vandy is on the rise they will steal enough recruits to become more and more competitive in the SEC
 
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BigTCountry said:
Obviously you havent thought about where we've been in the last 5 yrs. Firing Fulmer, Kiffin Leaving, Dooley fired. - No standout recruits during that time, no foundation being built, loss of respect for coaches, lack of discipline, lack of talent, fan hate towards the team, and losing games because of all those reason and more. Vandy on the other hand has been on the way to being more competitive with their new coach. If you ignore that, than you are blind plus they beat GA this year also. Give Jones a chance. Im glad you aren't the VOLS AD heck we'd go through 14 coaches in 14 games. Take a look at ALABAMAS 1st season with saban

ALABAMAS 2007 FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
RECORD: 7-6
DATE OPPONENT

9-1-07 WESTERN CAROLINA WON 52-6 Western Carolina at Alabama Football Tickets

9-8-07 at Vanderbilt WON 24-10 Alabama at Vanderbilt Football Tickets

9-15-07 ARKANSAS WON 41-38 Arkansas at Alabama Football Tickets

9-22-07 GEORGIA LOST 23-26 (OT) Georgia at Alabama Football Tickets

9-29-07 vs. Florida State @Jacksonville, FL LOST 14-21 Alabama vs. Florida State Football Tickets

10-6-07 HOUSTON WON 30-24 Houston at Alabama Football Tickets

10-13-07 at Mississippi WON 27-24 Alabama at Ole Miss Football Tickets

10-20-07 TENNESSEE WON 41-17 Tennessee at Alabama Football Tickets

11-3-07 LOUISIANA STATE LOST 34-41 LSU at Alabama Football Tickets

11-10-07 at Mississippi State LOST 12-17 Alabama at Mississippi State Football Tickets

11-17-07 LOUISIANA-MONROE LOST 14-21 Louisiana-Monroe at Alabama Football Tickets

11-24-07 at Auburn LOST 10-17 Alabama at Auburn Football Tickets

INDEPENDENCE BOWL @Shreveport, LA
12-30-07 Colorado WON 30-24


Maybe Alabama shouldve fired Saban after his 2007 year:salute:
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I 'liked' you're post because you actually made some of the same points about Vandy's "belief" in their program and their coach that I've made in other threads. However, I can't respond to your other comments any better than others already have, as I agree with those who've stated that I'd be glad to have UA's first year record with Saban.

However, by your other comments, I can only assume that you apparently like conjecture - because you've assumed I'd be qualified to be the AD, and you've extrapolated my original comments into something I never said. In any case, I will not cover my eyes and blindly follow. Show me leadership, deliver on self-imposed goals, give me something that I haven't seen in those 5 years you spoke of above. Then, I will believe. Right now, things look good for a #2 signing class, but I'll believe it February, when the ink hits the paper - that will certainly be a welcomed first step in the right direction.

By the way, during those 5 years you mention, I have poured thousands of dollars into this program - so don't think I'm some spoiled kid sitting in my room crying because my team didn't win. So many on here get their panties in wad whenever someone questions performance. I honestly don't understand it. Maybe it's because I from an age when accountability was still taught in schools. It's an interesting thing "accountability;" I guarantee you'll run into one day.
 
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