Is Florida vs Tennessee really a rivalry?.

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BanditVol said:
The answer is no, and it hasn't been since like 2009 or even 2007, unfortunately. But it was in the late 90s and early 2000s...the gator buddy needs to understand that a rivalry need not be geographic. Notre Dame USC is and always has been a huge rivalry...nothing geographic about it.
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So you say that the UT v. FL rivalry is not a big rivalry due to wins/losses, but the USC v. ND rivalry IS big?

Makes no sense.

The record of that series is 44-35-5 in favor of ND (56% of wins are ND's).

Notre Dame had an 11 year win streak from 1983-1993 then USC had an 8 game streak going from 2002-2009.

The UT v. UF rivalry is currently at 24-19 (56% of wins are UF's).

Longest win streak was 10 wins by UT, Florida is knocking on that door next year.

UF only exceeded UT in the rivalry in the past 5 years, you know the worst years in UT football history?

Looks like the HUGE rivalry had looong windows of lop sided wins, and it looks like our non-rivalry with Florida has the same. Looks like the winning percentage of either dominant team is exactly the same.

So, I don't follow your logic.
 
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#79
daj2576 said:
So you say that the UT v. FL rivalry is not a big rivalry due to wins/losses, but the USC v. ND rivalry IS big?

Makes no sense.

The record of that series is 44-35-5 in favor of ND (56% of wins are ND's).

Notre Dame had an 11 year win streak from 1983-1993 then USC had an 8 game streak going from 2002-2009.

The UT v. UF rivalry is currently at 24-19 (56% of wins are UF's).

Longest win streak was 10 wins by UT, Florida is knocking on that door next year.

UF only exceeded UT in the rivalry in the past 5 years, you know the worst years in UT football history?

Looks like the HUGE rivalry had looong windows of lop sided wins, and it looks like our non-rivalry with Florida has the same. Looks like the winning percentage of either dominant team is exactly the same.

So, I don't follow your logic.
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That's an awful comparison. USC and Notre Dame have been playing every year since 1926 with the exception of WWII. Tennessee and Florida didn't start playing every year until 1990. Tennessee's ten game winning streak took 37 years to accomplish.

Surely you see how ridiculous this argument is.
 
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bamawriter said:
That's an awful comparison. USC and Notre Dame have been playing every year since 1926 with the exception of WWII. Tennessee and Florida didn't start playing every year until 1990. Tennessee's ten game winning streak took 37 years to accomplish.

Surely you see how ridiculous this argument is.
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I hate it when Bama fans are correct and this is one of them.

Since UT and UF "mattered" and began playing annually since 1990, UT is 6-18 for a 75/25 ratio.
 
#81
#81
No. It Is Not A Rivalry. We Want To Win. They Expect To Win. They Know We Can't Beat Them. We Are To Them What Vandy Used To Be To Us..


Nothing More.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I hate it when Bama fans are correct and this is one of them.

Since UT and UF "mattered" and began playing annually since 1990, UT is 6-18 for a 75/25 ratio.
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So first off, wins don't count unless you play in consecutive years? It isn't like UT scheduled Florida only on years that they knew they could win, you have to understand that right? UT just played the schedule they had, and it took Florida 10 consecutive attempts to win.

Second, does that mean that Bama fans don't count any of Bama's pre 1928 wins against UT? Or, does that mean that Auburn doesn't have a five game (I think that is right) win streak against UT?

Bama fans have always been sketchy with math and logic (how many national championships now?), but this sort of thought pattern from a supposed Vol is disheartening, in my humble view.
 
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daj2576 said:
So first off, wins don't count unless you play in consecutive years? It isn't like UT scheduled Florida only on years that they knew they could win, you have to understand that right? UT just played the schedule they had, and it took Florida 10 consecutive attempts to win.

Second, does that mean that Bama fans don't count any of Bama's pre 1928 wins against UT?

Bama fans have always been sketchy with math and logic (how many national championships now?), but this sort of thought pattern is ridiculous, in my humble view.
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The Bama-UT games prior to 1928 certainly count as a part of the greater series, but the series wasn't immediately a rivalry in 1901. It probably wasn't really a rivalry in 1928.

Just because UT fans have a mad on for Florida since the mid-90s, doesn't mean that the 19 games played over a 74 year span prior to '90 are part of some intense rivalry.
 
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immyaxl said:
According to most of the fans on this site u have to win at least half the time for it to be a rivalry. I guess Florida, Bama and Georgia are not rivals.
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The problem is those teams don't consider us a rival. The only teams that circle us on the calendar now are Vandy and Kentucky.
 
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#88
i will probably get killed for this too, but why is tennessee-georgia or tennessee-south carolina less of a rivalry than tennessee-florida.
 
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bamawriter said:
The Bama-UT games prior to 1928 certainly count as a part of the greater series, but the series wasn't immediately a rivalry in 1901. It probably wasn't really a rivalry in 1928.

Just because UT fans have a mad on for Florida since the mid-90s, doesn't mean that the 19 games played over a 74 year span prior to '90 are part of some intense rivalry.
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With all due respect, I completely disagree. I also find that there is a level of hubris required to have some connection with one school (either tangible or intangible) and believe that you have been ordained with the power to determine what is, or isn't, a rivalry from a school/fanbase wholly unrelated to the one with which you claim allegiance. I would certainly not go to a Bama board and pretend to interject some knowledge about the Auburn/Bama rivalry even if I have some knowledge base about the history of the two teams.

Rivalries are one of the great intangibles in sports. It isn't defined by someone outside of the rivalry, rather by those who are within it (although the media goes a long way to try to determine which rivalries are worthy of being called such).

Rivalries certainly develop over time, do you think that Gators in those first ten meetings saw a UT team they had never beaten as just a friendly foe from around the corner? Or conversely that the UT teams who struggled mightily against Bama (pre 1928) as any less of a formidable and hated adversary because of their lack of a yearly series?
 
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99gator said:
i will probably get killed for this too, but why is tennessee-georgia or tennessee-south carolina less of a rivalry than tennessee-florida.
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You're just going to bring out the fans that think USCe is because they hate Spurrier and those to whom UGA is because they live in an area where they have to listen to a bunch of UGA fans talk about their school :)



(jk)
 
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daj2576 said:
With all due respect, I completely disagree. I also find that there is a level of hubris required to have some connection with one school (either tangible or intangible) and believe that you have been ordained with the power to determine what is, or isn't, a rivalry from a school/fanbase wholly unrelated to the one with which you claim allegiance. I would certainly not go to a Bama board and pretend to interject some knowledge about the Auburn/Bama rivalry even if I have some knowledge base about the history of the two teams.

Rivalries are one of the great intangibles in sports. It isn't defined by someone outside of the rivalry, rather by those who are within it (although the media goes a long way to try to determine which rivalries are worthy of being called such).

Rivalries certainly develop over time, do you think that Gators in those first ten meetings saw a UT team they had never beaten as just a friendly foe from around the corner? Or conversely that the UT teams who struggled mightily against Bama (pre 1928) as any less of a formidable and hated adversary because of their lack of a yearly series?
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You made the comparison to ND-USC. I'm saying that comparing UT-UF to that because the winning % is similar is just ridiculous.
 
#92
#92
The game is nothing like it was when Fulmer & Spurrier were there. If this game didn't get your blood boiling you must have been dead. But the game has lost a lot of hype to it since the vols can't stay in the top 25 no more. It used to be ever who won this game was In the drivers seat in the east. Hopefully Muschamp & Butch will get this game back to where it use to be. GO VOLS!
 
#95
#95
Most years to get to an SEC Championship Game we have to beat Florida, so I sure hope it's really a rivalry.
 
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#96
The problem is that Tennessee is at best UF's third rival depending on which gator fan you ask.

1 and 2 are Georgia and FSU (typically depends on age for which they hate the most)

Then 3 and back would be teams like Miami, UT, Auburn (a lot of Gators are upset this series ended), and LSU
 
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Orange Blazer said:
Since 1976, our Vols are 6-22 in the last 28 meetings, having only once won on consecutive meetings (2003 and 2004).
The current streak the Gators are on, only one game was decided by less than a touchdown.
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24
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14

Tennessee's 4 most recent wins in the series, 3 have been decided by a FG or less.

Thoughts?
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Is KY our rivalry? There's you're answer. And it urinates me off!
 
#98
#98
To me, it's sort of like Alabama-LSU is nowadays. It's a rivalry in a familiarity breeds contempt kind of way, but historically it doesn't measure up. Sure, Bama and LSU are all about beating each other now, but only as a means to an end of their goal of getting to a championship. When one of them falls off a little, that game will cease to be nearly as important as it is. Tennessee will never be to Florida what FSU is (or even Georgia), and Florida will never be to Tennessee what Alabama is.
 
#99
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lawgator1 said:
Certainly since the conference championship took on such significance in the early 90's it had the potential for a real rivalry because the winner was deemed to have the inside track to the SECCG. Two things have contributed to the demise of that notion: 1) The general ascendency of UGA and USCe relative to the general decline of UT and UF; 2) The disarray at UT, and I use that term with all due respect but it is I think correct.

I don't think Butch Jones is going anywhere and he is recruiting well. Its going to take some time for the program to get its act together to compete for the SECe. Probably a 2-3 year project from here. Hopefully, in that timeframe, UF will also get its offense back up to snuff (we are making strides).

Don't be surprised if the game in 2015 is HUGE.
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Best response yet! Lets hope we keep up our end of the resurgence.
 
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bamawriter said:
You made the comparison to ND-USC. I'm saying that comparing UT-UF to that because the winning % is similar is just ridiculous.
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No I didn't make that comparison, I was responding to someone who did because there are very real similarities between the two. Your point is that UT/UF can't be a rivalry because it hasn't happened for long enough, or that you cherry pick the latest 25% of a schools football history to mike your assertions of the validity of a rivalry. We will just have to agree to disagree.
 
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