Is G.W. Bush an Idiot or just linguistically challenged?

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Bush will go down in history as the guy who rallied the USA after 9/11 and Clinton will be remembered as the guy who spooged on his intern.

lol:

Like it or not these will be the enduring representations:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

"Let's Roll."

 

[First&Tenn]

I think that Bush would have been remembered as you say, if it weren't for: Quagmire in Iraq, No Weapons of Mass Destruction, Abu Ghraib, Botched Response to Katrina, His white house outing a CIA agent for political purposes, cherry picking intelligence to send us to war, spying on American citizens in blatant violation of US law, extraordinary renditions to secret CIA prisons, alienating all of our traditional allies in the world community, running the biggest deficeits in history.

I have seen no less than 5 articles in the last three months where the countries most respected presidential historians have speculated that he will be remembered as one of the worst five presidents in history.

If you would like to see the picture that he will most be remembered by...

 

[OWB]

:whistling:

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I doubt that many people will have a strong opinion one way or the other regarding Bush 50 years from now.

 

[OWB]

I doubt that many people will have a strong opinion one way or the other regarding Bush 50 years from now.

Maybe, maybe not. The title "Worst President Ever" could prove to be a hard one to shake.

 

[volinbham]

His white house outing a CIA agent for political purposes,

Don't even get me started on this one -- suffice it to say, Wilson and Plame are equally if not more guilty of starting this one.

 

[MG1968]

how is the aftermath of Katrina Bush's fault?

you have levels of government here, starting with the mayor of New Orleans, that failed in some way or other. Also don't forget that New Orleans wasn't the only area affected, but it was the only area not directly hit by Katrina.

Governor Blanco is also reported to have refused federal aid when it was first offered.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Maybe, maybe not. The title "Worst President Ever" could prove to be a hard one to shake.

Yep. Poor Jimmy Carter.

 

[overseasorange]

Honestly, would anyone with their right mind actually make stupid comments and mispronounce words to gain the "aw shucks" factor? It's a little scary that the leader of the US would try to portray the Jethro image to the world. Credibility much?

As far as his speeches it is when he drifts AWAY from his speeches when he makes the stupid comments. Listen to him during press conferences. He tries to be funny with attempts at zingers, etc. I think his well-orchestrated speeches are MUCH better than his off the cuff comments.

When he drifts away from speeches he tries to be liked and to make people laugh and he just doesn't have that ability.

If anything, his press people are fools for letting him drift away from the speeches. Obviously more and more people are drifting away from buying his 'aw shucks' persona since his approval ratings are in the 20's.

Come back when you have earned your degree from one of the best universities in America...Yale...:neener2:

 

[overseasorange]

:whistling:

You seem to have a problem with oil companies....That's too bad because it shows me you know not what you say.:hmm:

 

[SWIL]

I think that Bush would have been remembered as you say, if it weren't for: Quagmire in Iraq, No Weapons of Mass Destruction, Abu Ghraib, Botched Response to Katrina, His white house outing a CIA agent for political purposes, cherry picking intelligence to send us to war, spying on American citizens in blatant violation of US law, extraordinary renditions to secret CIA prisons, alienating all of our traditional allies in the world community, running the biggest deficeits in history.

I have seen no less than 5 articles in the last three months where the countries most respected presidential historians have speculated that he will be remembered as one of the worst five presidents in history.

If you would like to see the picture that he will most be remembered by...

check mate. :yes:

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I think that Bush would have been remembered as you say, if it weren't for: Quagmire in Iraq, No Weapons of Mass Destruction, Abu Ghraib, Botched Response to Katrina, His white house outing a CIA agent for political purposes, cherry picking intelligence to send us to war, spying on American citizens in blatant violation of US law, extraordinary renditions to secret CIA prisons, alienating all of our traditional allies in the world community, running the biggest deficeits in history.
I have seen no less than 5 articles in the last three months where the countries most respected presidential historians have speculated that he will be remembered as one of the worst five presidents in history.

check mate. :yes:

All right. I can't beleive I've been suckered into another post on this thread but there are always two ways to view any assertion.

Quagmire in Iraq

Plenty of rational people will continue to believe that if were not in Iraq there would have been more 9/11 type events here in the U.S. Since you cannot prove or disprove a negative there is no way that you can say that wouldn't be the case.

No Weapons of Mass Destruction

The checmical weapons he used on the Kurds in the 1990s were sufficient to satisfy this. Everyone knows had them at one point in time and it doesn't seem like Saddam was the kind of guy who'd let go of those type weapons. There's also pretty good evidence that weapons were removed to Syria.

Abu Ghraib

I fail to see the problem. They took a prisoners and chopped off heads. Our people made a naked pyramid. You have to really hate America to take the terrorists' side on this one.

Botched Response to Katrina

It is not the federal government's responsibility to do so unless and until a federal disaster is declared AFTER a request by state civil authorities. As someone else mentioned, Blanco did not want to ask the "idiot" R president for help until it was way too late. Also, I'll never forget what I saw on the news after Katrina. You cannot blame Bush for the barbarity that those people exhibited. They were nowhere near starving to death but I guess in the "big tent" you get a pass on looting, raping and murdering your neighbors if you're poor and a member of a racial minority.

His white house outing a CIA agent for political purposes

From my perspective Plame and Jim Wilson had a lot more to do with her "outing" than anyone else.

cherry picking intelligence to send us to war

Every administration does what it can to control the media. That's politics. It's the press' job to separate the spin from the facts.

alienating all of our traditional allies in the world community

Who? Germany and France were not our allies before this started and I'd hardly look to either of those nations as shining examples of how to run a country. Our closest traditional allies post WWII (Canada, GBR, Australia, Taiwan and Japan) are still with us.

running the biggest deficeits in history

I agree with you on this one. There probably should have been a cut in spending for social services and a moderate tax increase, or at least no tax cuts, to fund the Iraq War. That said, the deficits do not seem to be having any effect on the economy.

 

[OWB]

Plenty of rational people will continue to believe that if were not in Iraq there would have been more 9/11 type events here in the U.S. Since you cannot prove or disprove a negative there is no way that you can say that wouldn't be the case.

Come on now, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11...NOTHING. While the U.S. is over there trying to fix the mess Bush caused in Iraq, Al-Quaeda is over in Pakistan and all over the world regrouping and training new recruits. Bush screwed this country when he got us involved in his personal war and didn't go after the people that attacked us. It will come back to bite the citizens of this country in butt. It's only a matter of time.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Come on now, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11...NOTHING. While the U.S. is over there trying to fix the mess Bush caused in Iraq, Al-Quaeda is over in Pakistan and all over the world regrouping and training new recruits. Bush screwed this country when he got us involved in his personal war and didn't go after the people that attacked us. It will come back to bite the citizens of this country in butt. It's only a matter of time.

Whether or not AlQuaeda and Hussein were directly linked doesn't matter much to me. I see a regional problem where the people running just about every nation between Israel and India have a vested interest in supporting anti-western, radical Islam and the terrorism that it breeds. It is their safety valve, just like the southern U.S. border is the safety valve for the corrupt Mexican government, which helps keep their citizenry from rising up against them.

Do you actually believe that ANY president of the U.S. in this day and age would drag the U.S. into a war because he doesn't like some other leader, or wants revenge for some thwarted assasination attempt on a relative? I've read enough of your posts to know that you are an intelligent person OWB, so I'm going to assume that the "personal war" stuff is just some pap that you like to spread around in hopes that the more feeble minded people will latch onto it and take it as truth (i.e. propaganda).

 

[Fine Vol]

Hill I know your most likely Rep. and thats great, but just because you voted 4 him does not mean he is doing a good job. I voted 4 J Kerry and if he did bad I would say dang I thought he would have been good but he is doing a poor job. Nothin wrong voting the way you feel but if he sucks he sucks. You call out CPF for doing bad and Bush is doing good, I dont buy it.

 

[allvol123]

Hill I know your most likely Rep. and thats great, but just because you voted 4 him does not mean he is doing a good job. I voted 4 J Kerry and if he did bad I would say dang I thought he would have been good but he is doing a poor job. Nothin wrong voting the way you feel but if he sucks he sucks. You call out CPF for doing bad and Bush is doing good, I dont buy it.

Bush is doing awful, but it is not for the reasons that some people throw out there. The people that hate him just becuase they hate him is kind of ridiculous.

 

[Fine Vol]

I just think people who are rep. defend out of the mindset, O I voted for him and I have to defend my choice. If Kerry won and was doing bad I would suck it up and say I thought I voted right but its not working out. Point is its ok to have voted for him and there is no shame in saying he is not doin well.

 

[allvol123]

I just think people who are rep. defend out of the mindset, O I voted for him and I have to defend my choice. If Kerry won and was doing bad I would suck it up and say I thought I voted right but its not working out. Point is its ok to have voted for him and there is no shame in saying he is not doin well.

Agreed. I voted for him out of the lesser of two evils mantra. I don't really like the job he has done. But I do not believe the other contestants would have done any better. Perhaps worse, I would think.

 

[Fine Vol]

Agreed. I voted for him out of the lesser of two evils mantra. I don't really like the job he has done. But I do not believe the other contestants would have done any better. Perhaps worse, I would think.

Who knows, as long as you voted the way you felt.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Hill I know your most likely Rep. and thats great, but just because you voted 4 him does not mean he is doing a good job. I voted 4 J Kerry and if he did bad I would say dang I thought he would have been good but he is doing a poor job. Nothin wrong voting the way you feel but if he sucks he sucks. You call out CPF for doing bad and Bush is doing good, I dont buy it.

Believe me, there are plenty of areas where, IMO, there president is not doing well, including Iraq. From my perspective we should not engage in any military action where we are not ready, willing and able to commit all of our resources to the fight. IMO the war in Iraq has been prosecuted far less aggressively than it should have been, hence the "quagmire". I do not like the deficit spending. I'm not sure how I feel about Alito and Roberts, time will tell. I want a solution to the border problem.

Despite everything negative that one could get into, for me, it still comes down the the old Carville line about the economy. Interest rates remain low. There has not been inflation or any significant recession during the Bush years. The dollar is trading a little down but not so much that it hurts the average joe. The markets continue to hit record highs. The unemployment rates have been amazingly low despite the influx of cheap labor. The economy is THE issue that determines how I will vote 99% of the time.

 

[Fine Vol]

Believe me, there are plenty of areas where, IMO, there president is not doing well, including Iraq. From my perspective we should not engage in any military action where we are not ready, willing and able to commit all of our resources to the fight. IMO the war in Iraq has been prosecuted far less aggressively than it should have been, hence the "quagmire". I do not like the deficit spending. I'm not sure how I feel about Alito and Roberts, time will tell. I want a solution to the border problem.

Despite everything negative that one could get into, for me, it still comes down the the old Carville line about the economy. Interest rates remain low. There has not been inflation or any significant recession during the Bush years. The dollar is trading a little down but not so much that it hurts the average joe. The markets continue to hit record highs. The unemployment rates have been amazingly low despite the influx of cheap labor. The economy is THE issue that determines how I will vote 99% of the time.

Well said and the way a Bush supporter should respond IMO. I respect this type of support, not like anyone would care though

 

[volinbham]

What Bush has done wrong:

Iraq - screwed that one right on up.

Deficit spending - should have used political capital to fight spending (domestically); Iraq doesn't help matters. However, there would have been some deficit in his early years due to the recession/economic conditions he inherited (see Economy below).

Heavy handed foreign policy - Clinton admin was too weak, Bush overreacted too strongly.

What Bush has done right:

Economic policy - frankly, a president doesn't have as much control here as one might think but his tax cuts certainly made the recession shallow and the recovery robust --- their impact on the deficit is unknown; revenues are at all time highs but spending is even higher. A longer or deeper recession would have had a similar impact on deficits. Otherwise, his hands off approach has allowed us to see an outstanding economy. By virtually every indicator, this is one of the strongest economies ever - even outdoing the boom 90's since growth has been more stable with less "irrational exuberance".

Domestic terrorism - quibble all you want about Color Codes, etc. but there has been no successful domestic terrorism event since 9/11. Many have been thwarted. Go back and look at the predictions after 9/11 -- no one thought we wouldn't be hit again somehow in the last 5-6 years. The NSA stuff doesn't bother me a bit. He tested the limits and our system put the brakes on where necessary - right thing to do IMHO.

Half good/half bad:

Korea - probably waited too long but insistance of 6 party talks should pay dividends in the long run if for no other reason than getting China more involved (seeing their interests).

Iran - ditto. Not many options but I do think the sterner approach is preferable to the lighter approach.

Domestic policy - not much real action here. No Child Left Behind has mixed results.

Immigration - not enough action here. I think he had a potentially bipartisan solution that would work but he's used all his political capital elsewhere.

Grade: C

 

[StunnA N' Orange]

Whatver you think of him, he managed to get himself elected governor of Texas twice and President of the U.S. twice. I just don't see how an "idiot" could pull that off.

2 words to that hillbilly, his daddy..opcorn: ..

 

[dantheman617]

I dont have much of a opinion either way..they are all idiots if u ask me (politicians)...and if u live in the chattanooga, Tn area, we warned...George W will be here most of the day on Wed

 

[therealUT]

I dont have much of a opinion either way..they are all idiots if u ask me (politicians)...and if u live in the chattanooga, Tn area, we warned...George W will be here most of the day on Wed

That should say "be warned", right? In referring to others as 'idiots', you should always check your posts for mistakes...