Is it our OC or QB

#77
#77
Loosing Alex had to hurt to some degree, how can it not? CJH's ppg over the years has been high....last year, even in the SEC, the O was #1 nationally. Now it's definitely not. Granted the play calling personnel have changed, not the plays, so IMO Joe is the dominant factor that makes all the difference. Negative difference. Hell, here's a 6 yr QB finding out....sh1t I can actually do this running thing. Maybe what the coaches are telling me is true after game 7. Who knew. He's a head case....$0.02, just like JG.
 
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#79
bofa25 said:
The ones on here attacking the team, is it that time of the month? Like chill. Heupel has brought us to relevance, we’re close to competing for the promise land. Why are you throwing a toddler fit?
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Absolutely.
 
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#81
Milton is a 6-year college QB. It’s his 3rd year in this system. He is what he is: a great young man with immense athleticism who is nevertheless limited in capability. He doesn’t deliver in those big time moments. If the running game or the defense is off in a game, we aren’t going to win if it’s on Milton’s shoulders. I hate to say that because I love that guy for his team-first mentality.

The OC likely doesn’t trust Milton in tight situations. Can’t blame him for not trusting given what we’ve seen.

Our receivers just aren’t playing well either. Lots of drops this season. Squirrel seems too small to handle it when defensive backs are allowed to get physical with him. Bru was the one who could handle that and power through it, but he’s gone now. In those big games, especially on the road, the DBs are going to get physical and the refs are going to let more of it go. That appears to be the formula for beating this team.
 
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chattavol420 said:
It’s both. But responsibility ultimately falls on the coaching staff. They were unwilling (or incapable) of recognizing what fans that have never coached a down of football in their lives were easily about to recognize…Milton isn’t good.

He’s never had a single game where he was a dynamic difference maker. I really thought heupel would have encouraged Milton to look around after that first year, but eventually it became obvious that Milton was the plan for life after a hooker. I just don’t get it.

Milton regularly badly misses wide open wrs, he can’t make really athletic plays with his legs, and he makes dumb mental mistakes (like today when he held the ball too long and fumbled) in every game we’ve ever seen him appear in.

It’s not on Milton. The skill set is what it is. It’s just not very good. Fault lies with heupel for not recognizing what Milton was and then continue to stick with him, no matter what the results are.
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We waste a lot of possessions. Just no consistency with him at QB. Then when the defense figures out what we're doing its pretty much a wrap. Running the ball is the only strength on offense we have and we weren't going in there and running down their throat..
 
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I wish you could be a coach; for any team UT would face. Put your best talent on the field at any position. We have had some solid play from QBs, OL and other positions, maybe before you were born. We’re seeing some solid play from a freshman LB now. We play against some impressive freshmen too. Please get into coaching, I beg.
bofa25 said:
So let’s throw the true freshman out there against Alabama in Tuscaloosa. That would be a genius move. Oppenheimer, let me guess, if that didn’t work you’d throw out the walk-on? Thank god you don’t coach football.
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#84
#84
We run tempo well until we get to the red zone. Huepel and staff trusted Hooker to have us in the right formation coming to the line in the red zone based on what he saw from the defense. Joe cannot process what he sees quickly enough, so we slow down tempo through interminable "check with me" play calls that kill our momentum. If we can ever fix that. . .well.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Baffled at how often they threw the ball before with him being terrible, then acted like they couldn't in the 2nd half after he was playing extremely well.
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Playing not to lose instead of playing to win, they should have been pinning their ears back and trying to step on their throats.
 
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jdogvol said:
We run tempo well until we get to the red zone. Huepel and staff trusted Hooker to have us in the right formation coming to the line in the red zone based on what he saw from the defense. Joe cannot process what he sees quickly enough, so we slow down tempo through interminable "check with me" play calls that kill our momentum. If we can ever fix that. . .well.
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Joe is 23 years old. He’s been in college ball 6 years. At least 2 years too long. He’s slow Joe for a reason and that ain’t changing. If Nico’s slower, well, we’re screwed.
 
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Chad F said:
Milton is a 6-year college QB. It’s his 3rd year in this system. He is what he is: a great young man with immense athleticism who is nevertheless limited in capability. He doesn’t deliver in those big time moments. If the running game or the defense is off in a game, we aren’t going to win if it’s on Milton’s shoulders. I hate to say that because I love that guy for his team-first mentality.

The OC likely doesn’t trust Milton in tight situations. Can’t blame him for not trusting given what we’ve seen.

Our receivers just aren’t playing well either. Lots of drops this season. Squirrel seems too small to handle it when defensive backs are allowed to get physical with him. Bru was the one who could handle that and power through it, but he’s gone now. In those big games, especially on the road, the DBs are going to get physical and the refs are going to let more of it go. That appears to be the formula for beating this team.
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These are very good points. I hate to play what about ism, but did we really utilize Milton and Squirrel the way we did first quarter?
 
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Manning4ever said:
These are very good points. I hate to play what about ism, but did we really utilize Milton and Squirrel the way we did first quarter?
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I don’t know. It was such a “tale of two halves” type of situation.

I am just convinced we are a mentally weak team. It is painfully evident with every failure under the spotlight - unforced errors, overthrows, can’t run routes, can’t catch wide open passes, blown assignments, turnovers, That is what bothers me the most. These guys laid down and died in the Swamp and the disappeared in the 2nd half today. Losing is one thing. Folding like a lawn chair is another.

Yes, the refs were bad tonight, But winners find a way to get through it. We’re not there yet.
 
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Chad F said:
I don’t know. It was such a “tale of two halves” type of situation.

I am just convinced we are a mentally weak team. It is painfully evident with every failure under the spotlight - unforced errors, overthrows, can’t run routes, can’t catch wide open passes, blown assignments, turnovers, That is what bothers me the most. These guys laid down and died in the Swamp and the disappeared in the 2nd half today. Losing is one thing. Folding like a lawn chair is another.

Yes, the refs were bad tonight, But winners find a way to get through it. We’re not there yet.
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Very well said
 
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#90
Chad F said:
I don’t know. It was such a “tale of two halves” type of situation.

I am just convinced we are a mentally weak team. It is painfully evident with every failure under the spotlight - unforced errors, overthrows, can’t run routes, can’t catch wide open passes, blown assignments, turnovers, That is what bothers me the most. These guys laid down and died in the Swamp and the disappeared in the 2nd half today. Losing is one thing. Folding like a lawn chair is another.

Yes, the refs were bad tonight, But winners find a way to get through it. We’re not there yet.
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Mentally weak is on the coaches for not coaching it out of them.
 
#93
#93
I say it's both but after yesterday, leaning more towards the play calling! Either turn Milton loose or start working in Nico!
 
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bofa25 said:
We were close on the road at bama. We lost to Florida with 3/5ths of our starting o line out. This is a dumb conversation. We knew this year was a rebuilding year. Tennessee is close.
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I believe next year is the rebuilding year. We started off 11th in the nation due to the number of returning seniors, including a 6th year QB.
 
#95
#95
I think about 3 series with Nico would have everyone begging for Milton again. The kid is obviously not ready. Now you may not like Milton's play but that doesn't mean the backup is the fix. If the Vols lose next week, Nico will start getting time the rest of the way.
 
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adam.vol said:
I believe next year is the rebuilding year. We started off 11th in the nation due to the number of returning seniors, including a 6th year QB.
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But next year we should improve Hype will have 3 full years of his own recruits then. If Nico is worse than Joe we are in bad shape.
 
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cgrish said:
But next year we should improve Hype will have 3 full years of his own recruits then. If Nico is worse than Joe we are in bad shape.
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I don’t disagree with your sentiment. I’m worried about the O-Line and Nico is going to have immense pressure with the hype and huge NIL deal. He’s still a kid, regardless of how wealthy he is.

On the flip side, the defense is getting more talent and the run game will be talented and experienced. The biggest question is “can we run with a bad offensive line?” Hopefully the answer is “leadership steps up and the O-Line gets better even though we lost our best guys”.
 
#98
#98
Whatever it was, we just didn’t respond very well on either side of the ball to Bama’s second half adjustments…officiating aside. That’s disappointing from Heupel & Halzle.
 
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jdogvol said:
We run tempo well until we get to the red zone. Huepel and staff trusted Hooker to have us in the right formation coming to the line in the red zone based on what he saw from the defense. Joe cannot process what he sees quickly enough, so we slow down tempo through interminable "check with me" play calls that kill our momentum. If we can ever fix that. . .well.
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It does slow way down in the redzone I've noticed. They just don't trust him. We go pretty fast between the 20's then give the other team time to substitute and reset once we get to the redzone. Hooker kept us at the fast pace even in the redzone and it makes a world of difference.
 
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