Is It Really Holly's Fault

[orangealways]

Stop w the excuses dude. Really ?
Are you going to tell me all these players were this bad in HS? If they were they wouldn’t have been recruited .
Discipline , exactness , precision , awareness . These should be demanded and nothing less . That comes from the top.

 

[Butch s]

Buy her out, and get her out. NOW !!!!!!!!!!

 

[sonrise7]

Holly Breaks another record.....first time in 33 years that Lady Vols have lost 3 in a row.

 

[tnvols72]

Stop w the excuses dude. Really ?
Are you going to tell me all these players were this bad in HS? If they were they wouldn’t have been recruited .
Discipline , exactness , precision , awareness . These should be demanded and nothing less . That comes from the top.

^This all day long

 

[Sudden Impact]

Even if it isn't Holly's fault, it's Holly's responsibility to own the state of the program and the team, and to make the changes to improve it. That's what being the head coach is about. And right now, with the team's lack of leadership and poise, not to mention teamwork, I think it's incumbent upon her to grab the microphone and own this situation. Maybe she didn't cause it (maybe) but she should be vocal about fixing it.

Reread some of her post game comments over the past several years....Her takes on the game clearly indicated she had zero business coaching at this level.

 

[landscapingvol]

Can we really blame Holly for the various Lady Vol debacles and inconsistencies? Just maybe she is a victim of her environment. She learned at the feet of one of the greatest, if not the greatest, basketball coaches to grace a women's basketball sideline. Holly has limited experience with any other coach or team. In the past, the Lady Vols had the best women's basketball players on the planet, however, that is not the case today. All the best players are not playing in Knoxville, they are spread among the top 10 to 15 teams. What won for the Lady Vols in the past will no longer get it done. Women now play the inside/outside game, they play a version of the motion offense and the good teams are physical. Top coaches all display a version of the Summitt stare, they don't simply pat you on the butt and say, "that's okay." They know how to make game changes on the fly and have plans that don't necessarily stop the other team's best scorer but at least make their shots difficult.

Maybe as an assistant and player, Holly realized too much success and very little adversity. Just maybe the Lady Vols, being so dominant in their hay day, made winning seem too easy, all you had to do is get a bunch of 5 stars and you were guaranteed success. All the early Lady Vol success and the intimidation, that automatically brought fear to their opponents to the point they were defeated before the initial jump ball, made losing unthinkable.

Maybe, it is simply the fact that Holly may never get it because she does not have the mettle to be a successful head coach.

Let us know when it is her fault for her results on the court because it’s never her fault according to the apologists: “they lost too many players”, “don’t have any shooters”, “too young”, “great recruiting class next year”, etc. Go ahead and give her a lifetime control because she is loyal and coached with Pat.

 

[UTLadyvolsfan]

I get all the angst. I really do. This is disgusting. Having said that, she continues to recruit gangbusters. 2 years ago she recruited #2, 7, and 12 to Tennessee (and I'm betting most would agree Davis should have been top 10 if not top 5). 1 year ago she got #10. Next year she has #2. How many programs not named Baylor or UCONN have recruited better over the past 3 years? And UCONN basically got nobody next year so maybe not even them.

At any rate, her recruiting has continued to get top kids to come to Tennessee. As long as she gets top recruits, how can firing her be justified by the administration? I worried that after Pat, recruiting would take a significant hit. That hasn't really happened. Next season should be one of our most talented teams in the past 10 years or so (at least).

Of course it's horrifying that she continues to do less with more, but is there any kind of pressure on her from the powers that be? Ultimately it's about wins and losses, but as long as Tennessee remains a top 20 team, or even top 10, and continues to reel in talent, how can the AD justify firing her? I agree she needs to go FWIW - I just don't see it happening.

 

[landscapingvol]

Reread some of her post game comments over the past several years....Her takes on the game clearly indicated she had zero business coaching at this level.

She is clueless and the only reason we continue to be ranked is because of the name on the jersey which is also the only reason players still come here. It isn’t to win championships. She hasn’t even won an SEC championship

 

[teacherdean]

Might as well fire her now and let somebody finish the year out.

If Holly has an ounce of respect for the memory of Pat, and herself, she would quit. She was out coached again. Georgia did not play that well but Tennessee played worse. They missed easy shots, they didn't set picks and blocking out seemed to be a foreign language. In fact, if Georgia could shoot better from behind the three line, they would have beaten our shorts off. This was an awful display of coaching and playing and it keeps getting worse, only this year instead of teasing us along, the Lady Vols are folding their tent early.

 

[Bigorangefaninga]

I get all the angst. I really do. This is disgusting. Having said that, she continues to recruit gangbusters. 2 years ago she recruited #2, 7, and 12 to Tennessee (and I'm betting most would agree Davis should have been top 10 if not top 5). 1 year ago she got #10. Next year she has #2. How many programs not named Baylor or UCONN have recruited better over the past 3 years? And UCONN basically got nobody next year so maybe not even them.

At any rate, her recruiting has continued to get top kids to come to Tennessee. As long as she gets top recruits, how can firing her be justified by the administration? I worried that after Pat, recruiting would take a significant hit. That hasn't really happened. Next season should be one of our most talented teams in the past 10 years or so (at least).

Of course it's horrifying that she continues to do less with more, but is there any kind of pressure on her from the powers that be? Ultimately it's about wins and losses, but as long as Tennessee remains a top 20 team, or even top 10, and continues to reel in talent, how can the AD justify firing her? I agree she needs to go FWIW - I just don't see it happening.

All the recruiting in the world doesn't change if the person in charge sucks at what they do! She could literally recruit 1,2 and 3 for next year and they will still be a mediocre program with top talent that underachieves! I would rather them not sign top talent if they aren't going to use it and it's no excuse to suck as a team no matter how young!

 

[landscapingvol]

I get all the angst. I really do. This is disgusting. Having said that, she continues to recruit gangbusters. 2 years ago she recruited #2, 7, and 12 to Tennessee (and I'm betting most would agree Davis should have been top 10 if not top 5). 1 year ago she got #10. Next year she has #2. How many programs not named Baylor or UCONN have recruited better over the past 3 years? And UCONN basically got nobody next year so maybe not even them.

At any rate, her recruiting has continued to get top kids to come to Tennessee. As long as she gets top recruits, how can firing her be justified by the administration? I worried that after Pat, recruiting would take a significant hit. That hasn't really happened. Next season should be one of our most talented teams in the past 10 years or so (at least).

Of course it's horrifying that she continues to do less with more, but is there any kind of pressure on her from the powers that be? Ultimately it's about wins and losses, but as long as Tennessee remains a top 20 team, or even top 10, and continues to reel in talent, how can the AD justify firing her? I agree she needs to go FWIW - I just don't see it happening.

How can they justify firing her? You can’t be serious? Her recruiting prowess is irrelevant and is useless. She can’t develop them or create a coherent game plan other than an offensive system reminiscent to a 1923 junior college before the three point line was created. Her results on the court have been mediocre at best.

 

[sisaq]

Not Holly's fault is my fault watching the game.

 

[teacherdean]

Stop w the excuses dude. Really ?
Are you going to tell me all these players were this bad in HS? If they were they wouldn’t have been recruited .
Discipline , exactness , precision , awareness . These should be demanded and nothing less . That comes from the top.

I agree, when all else fails blame it on all those awful five stars we recruit, everybody needs to get real, simply put, Holly SUCKS as a head coach!!!!

 

[teeball]

How can they justify firing her? You can’t be serious? Her recruiting prowess is irrelevant and is useless. She can’t develop them or create a coherent game plan other than an offensive system reminiscent to a 1923 junior college before the three point line was created. Her results on the court have been mediocre at best.

Sounds a lot like Botch Jones ... good recruiter ... can't coach a lick!

 

[alaVOL]

Holly IS NOT UP TO IT, 95% of unbiased observations would say so. The new AD needs to realize the extension was wasted and pull the plug.

 

[teacherdean]

I get all the angst. I really do. This is disgusting. Having said that, she continues to recruit gangbusters. 2 years ago she recruited #2, 7, and 12 to Tennessee (and I'm betting most would agree Davis should have been top 10 if not top 5). 1 year ago she got #10. Next year she has #2. How many programs not named Baylor or UCONN have recruited better over the past 3 years? And UCONN basically got nobody next year so maybe not even them.

At any rate, her recruiting has continued to get top kids to come to Tennessee. As long as she gets top recruits, how can firing her be justified by the administration? I worried that after Pat, recruiting would take a significant hit. That hasn't really happened. Next season should be one of our most talented teams in the past 10 years or so (at least).

Of course it's horrifying that she continues to do less with more, but is there any kind of pressure on her from the powers that be? Ultimately it's about wins and losses, but as long as Tennessee remains a top 20 team, or even top 10, and continues to reel in talent, how can the AD justify firing her? I agree she needs to go FWIW - I just don't see it happening.

The reasons you quoted are a few of the many reasons she should be fired. She recruits the best but does less with them. I have a solution, fire Holly as a coach, hire a real head coach and only let her recruit.

 

[tnvols72]

nobody shows up will get Phills attention in a hurry

 

[djwes]

You are either a leader or not. I’m a commander in the military and my unit is 100% my responsibility. No excuses, either own it or hand off the baton.

 

[Advol]

"Maybe, it is simply the fact that Holly may never get it because she does not have the mettle to be a successful head coach."
Ya think...….. That was from the start. Cant blame her...…...she literally FELL into the job. She should of had the good sense to resign 3 years ago out of embarrassment. She CAN not Coach. You can write a book on what she does wrong. It doesn't matter, it will have fall to depths no one could think UT Lady Vol Basketball could fall to...…… Phil gave her a VOTE of confidence raise and extension. HE aint gonna do squat. Hang on people it IS going to get worse. And please don't start all the crap about the players or she has lost the team...…….she NEVER had the team. SHE CAN NOT COACH!!!!!

 

[WeAreTheRealUT.]

1986. Wow. I was a sophomore in high school last time they lost 3 in a row.

I was, too.

 

[chuck0303]

Can we really blame Holly for the various Lady Vol debacles and inconsistencies? Just maybe she is a victim of her environment. She learned at the feet of one of the greatest, if not the greatest, basketball coaches to grace a women's basketball sideline. Holly has limited experience with any other coach or team. In the past, the Lady Vols had the best women's basketball players on the planet, however, that is not the case today. All the best players are not playing in Knoxville, they are spread among the top 10 to 15 teams. What won for the Lady Vols in the past will no longer get it done. Women now play the inside/outside game, they play a version of the motion offense and the good teams are physical. Top coaches all display a version of the Summitt stare, they don't simply pat you on the butt and say, "that's okay." They know how to make game changes on the fly and have plans that don't necessarily stop the other team's best scorer but at least make their shots difficult.

Maybe as an assistant and player, Holly realized too much success and very little adversity. Just maybe the Lady Vols, being so dominant in their hay day, made winning seem too easy, all you had to do is get a bunch of 5 stars and you were guaranteed success. All the early Lady Vol success and the intimidation, that automatically brought fear to their opponents to the point they were defeated before the initial jump ball, made losing unthinkable.

Maybe, it is simply the fact that Holly may never get it because she does not have the mettle to be a successful head coach.

No excuses! I don't want to hear ANY excuses about why Holly doesn't get it. You learn, you adapt, you make changes (from other coaches, from your peers, what are the other successful coaches doing?). Maybe what they are doing may not work for you but you'll never know unless you pursue others for insight. It's not that difficult to ask the right questions. What is this coach (A) doing that makes him or her successful? Are you doing the same? What makes coach B successful? Are you doing similar? What are they doing that you're not doing? Duh! If you don't know how to coach, recruit, & develop players under one of the best in women's basketball history, just when do you think that light bulb is going to go on?

 

[jeff1vol]

I get all the angst. I really do. This is disgusting. Having said that, she continues to recruit gangbusters. 2 years ago she recruited #2, 7, and 12 to Tennessee (and I'm betting most would agree Davis should have been top 10 if not top 5). 1 year ago she got #10. Next year she has #2. How many programs not named Baylor or UCONN have recruited better over the past 3 years? And UCONN basically got nobody next year so maybe not even them.

At any rate, her recruiting has continued to get top kids to come to Tennessee. As long as she gets top recruits, how can firing her be justified by the administration? I worried that after Pat, recruiting would take a significant hit. That hasn't really happened. Next season should be one of our most talented teams in the past 10 years or so (at least).

Of course it's horrifying that she continues to do less with more, but is there any kind of pressure on her from the powers that be? Ultimately it's about wins and losses, but as long as Tennessee remains a top 20 team, or even top 10, and continues to reel in talent, how can the AD justify firing her? I agree she needs to go FWIW - I just don't see it happening.

Because its NOT about recruiting!! Its about CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! You know... WINNING them!!

 

[manville77]

Can we really blame Holly for the various Lady Vol debacles and inconsistencies? Just maybe she is a victim of her environment. She learned at the feet of one of the greatest, if not the greatest, basketball coaches to grace a women's basketball sideline. Holly has limited experience with any other coach or team. In the past, the Lady Vols had the best women's basketball players on the planet, however, that is not the case today. All the best players are not playing in Knoxville, they are spread among the top 10 to 15 teams. What won for the Lady Vols in the past will no longer get it done. Women now play the inside/outside game, they play a version of the motion offense and the good teams are physical. Top coaches all display a version of the Summitt stare, they don't simply pat you on the butt and say, "that's okay." They know how to make game changes on the fly and have plans that don't necessarily stop the other team's best scorer but at least make their shots difficult.

Maybe as an assistant and player, Holly realized too much success and very little adversity. Just maybe the Lady Vols, being so dominant in their hay day, made winning seem too easy, all you had to do is get a bunch of 5 stars and you were guaranteed success. All the early Lady Vol success and the intimidation, that automatically brought fear to their opponents to the point they were defeated before the initial jump ball, made losing unthinkable.

Maybe, it is simply the fact that Holly may never get it because she does not have the mettle to be a successful head coach.

To use a popular phrase - Holly should have stayed in her lane. She is an assistant coach. When Pat would correct a player who would then get upset, Holly was the one to buddy up to the player and console her. You cannot be the head coach and be buddy buddy to players.

 

[Jax_Vol]

Y-E-S!!!!!!!!!!!


It is 100% Holly's fault.

 

[JohnnyJava]

When the debacles span a time period approaching a decade, I think the answer to your question is yes.