Is it time to drop the extra federal unemployment money?

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DinkinFlicka said:
Most people I know used their initial stimmy to either work for cash on the side or transition industries. Hell, I came dangerously close to go into coding if you recall. I ended up traveling instead after getting job security for the early spring.

Didn't feel an iota of guilt about it.
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When you say coding can you be more specific? Medical coding? And why?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Also, do you guys really think the majority of UI collectors aren't just hustling for cash on the side?
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I wouldn't know how to quantify the number. Likely not a majority. But frequent enough where it is common.
 
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BreatheUT said:
When you say coding can you be more specific? Medical coding? And why?
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I was studying basics of various languages, but mostly Python and Java. I didn't have a set objective aside from some form of archiving.

I've always been a technologically proficient person. I pick up on things quickly. I guess I thought about changing gears because I was worried my industry was going to go down for the count. Glad I was wrong. Sitting down for a living sounds ****ing awful.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Shouldn't even be a state minimum wage. Let the job market sort itself out.

People aren't going to work for **** wages and employers are finally realizing it. Starting pay is increasing in a lot of jobs.
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Volfanhill and I had a brief convo about it last week or so in the OT thread. Restaurant near us completed major renovations and cannot find enough staff. Offering $1000 sign on bonus and effective wage of 13-20 an hour.
Volfanhill's company offering 250 referral bonus to current employees and 250 sign on bonus.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Is it time to drop it? Well since there should have never been any extra funds in the first place, I’ll go with yes.
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I think it certainly should have been there for the shutdown.

Whether or not that shutdown needed to happen is a different discussion, but as it were, the funds were necessary.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I was studying basics of various languages, but mostly Python and Java. I didn't have a set objective aside from some form of archiving.

I've always been a technologically proficient person. I pick up on things quickly. I guess I thought about changing gears because I was worried my industry was going to go down for the count. Glad I was wrong. Sitting down for a living sounds ****ing awful.
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Ok, that is the other coding I was thinking of.

Thanks.
 
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McDad said:
Volfanhill and I had a brief convo about it last week or so in the OT thread. Restaurant near us completed major renovations and cannot find enough staff. Offering $1000 sign on bonus and effective age of 13-20 an hour.
Volfanhill's company offering 250 referral bonus to current employees and 250 sign on bonus.
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Those incentives are great but a lot of people simply changed jobs. I know dozens of colleagues did.

My upcoming big boy job is offering various sign ons of 300-800 with benefits for 30+ hours/week. Ot's like the hospitality industry is finally giving two ***** about its workforce.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Those incentives are great but a lot of people simply changed jobs. I know dozens of colleagues did.
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Waiting tables can be really hard work. But $20 an hour (during peak) in Columbia, TN for unskilled labor is impressive.
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm all for ending any govt expenditure but are that many people really staying home for an extra $300? That could easily be surpassed with many of the open positions
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Wife works for company that provides point of hire tax credit screening for companies nationwide. For industries with a predominant lower paid/hourly workforce, the $300 absolutely has a major impact in hiring. Many of those companies aren't at 2019 hiring levels although their sales are significantly higher now...

The hiring levels for those industries correlate to the amount of the Federal UI bonus.

My wife is left of center politically but I saw her roll her eyes every time she heard a Dem say the $600 had no impact of people looking for jobs last year
 
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All this talk of unemployment and available jobs got me thinking about picking up a part-time 2nd for small home projects that I am funding and depleting savings without taking on additional debt.
 
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Obviously not duh. We don't need less govt spending. We need more!

WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden said Friday that April’s lower than expected job growth reveals that the U.S. economy is still struggling to recover from the Covid pandemic, and that his massive infrastructure and family support bills are needed now more than ever.

The lower-than-expected job growth could strengthen the Biden administration’s argument to Congress that the president’s $4 trillion jobs and families plans are needed to help the U.S. economy fully recover from the pandemic.

“I told you weeks ago that in Florida I hear from small business everyday that they can’t hire people because the government is paying them to not go back to work,” Republican Sen. Marco Rubio tweeted on Friday.

Biden rejected that argument. “Today’s report is a rebuttal to loose talk that Americans just don’t want to work,” he said.

“What this report shows is that there’s a much bigger problem: It is that our economy still has 8 million fewer jobs than when this pandemic started.”
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/07/wea...ssive-jobs-and-families-bills-biden-says.html

Biden admin acting like dumba$$eS.
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm all for ending any govt expenditure but are that many people really staying home for an extra $300? That could easily be surpassed with many of the open positions
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may have been answered but it's an extra 1200 - 1400/ month depending on how many days in the month. add that to regular UE and you've got roughly 2400/month depending on where you live

I believe I saw the extra benefit works out to be about $12 - 20/hour for a forty hour week. Get the same or more for staying home and avoid work related expenses? I can see it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've got one employee doing his best to get fired. He's a $12/hr guy so he'll get a raise. His only skill is using a broom and despite my efforts to expand his skillset he continues to resist. He was very disrespectful to me when I gave him a task that literally a 12 year old could do and he called over a $25/hr guy to help him when I called him out on it. I brought him in and told him if he did it again I wouldn't lay him off but would 100% fire him for insubordination. We'll see how that turns out. It's my understanding that you just about have to commit homicide before they'll turn you down for unemployment though so he probably knows this.
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You need written warnings they sign or you are screwed. Even then you may be screwed. The UE in TN isn't business owner friendly.
 
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just used the Alabama calculator for UE benefits. without the Federal benefit, someone who had been making $2000/mo. would receive $928/mo in benefits. with the Federal kicker of an extra $300/week that goes to $2128/mo. So 6% more than the original job was paying AND no commuting, child care, other job related expenses.

For someone earning $3000/mo working you start to see the incentive shrinking: UE would provide $2300/mo with the extra vs $1100/mo without it. Still, someone who lives in an area with schools closed might opt for the $2300 instead of working for $3000 if child care costs were anywhere close to or over $700/mo.

It is insane for the administration to pretend this doesn't impact the decision to go back to work.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I suppose I should have been more specific and said renting an airstream.

I think the UI boost needs to end but it's been nice watching owners and managers actually having to work the **** jobs they pay **** wages to do. As someone in administrative roles for the past few years who has never been one to shy away from dirty work, it's been grand seeing some folks humbled in the past few months.
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What are usually the profit margins in the industry you are in? Just curious if there is any margin for these owners to pay $15 minimum wage.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What are usually the profit margins in the industry you are in? Just curious if there is any margin for these owners to pay $15 minimum wage.
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A well run restaurant in the right location yields very high profit margins. My last boss used to tend bar at the venue until he bought it 4 years in at a discount because it was failing. He made the right adjustments, turned it into a Knoxville landmark and started turning profits of about 500k a year. I was salaried but he paid his bartenders and servers anywhere from 14-20$ an hour and his kitchen 20-25$ an hour.

In fact, restaurant owners in any country but ours pay their staff a living wage and manage to keep the doors open. Fact is, American restaurateurs are highly exploitative of their employees.
 
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