Is it too early to worry?

#78
#78
KnoxVegas said:
I don't think anyone is sugar coating anything...DD just does things differently...and the info that we do get from rivals, scout, etc... we are in on a lot of recruits...

If you look back to last recruiting season (which we only had 1 commit) the early commits didn't even sign with UT...off of the top of my head I can remember Taylor, Broussard, Ambles, and there is one more...

This and other similar topics are very premature...
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like i said plenty of times before the number of commits is not an issue so i dont know why you still trying to pedal that point to me. And could you please tell me what "HIGHLY" Rated players are considering us right now?
 
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#81
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I've read at least 30 articles that mention us in the past month. I don't think your looking very hard.
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But really how high are those players rated. I understand that we need guys that fit our system and we only have scout to go by right now, but still you would think we would be in it for "HIGHLY" rated players.
 
#82
#82
Recruiting is like waiting for your girlfriend's period. There are fun times, and there are slow times, but as long as she's not late, everything is good. Now, if she's late and your broke, like we are with our roster, then you start worrying.
 
#83
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VolATLien said:
But really how high are those players rated. I understand that we need guys that fit our system and we only have scout to go by right now, but still you would think we would be in it for "HIGHLY" rated players.
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Most highly rated players don't have a clue right now who their Top 3-5 will be in 6 months.
 
#85
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Lord Vader said:
Recruits are really starting to mention UT alot more especially in the last week. It is picking up.
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I will admit its starting to pick up and i hope it continues but Clowney, Wilder, and many more have already stated favorites and we are not on their list.
 
#86
#86
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Recruiting is like waiting for your girlfriend's period. There are fun times, and there are slow times, but as long as she's not late, everything is good. Now, if she's late and your broke, like we are with our roster, then you start worrying.
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.........Ok that was kinda funny.
 
#87
#87
VolATLien said:
Ok now why dont you look at the top prospects on the scout list you provided. Now that you have done that look at the number of prospects that we have a legitimate shoot at getting.
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There are couple of assumptions you are going on here that are not "matters of fact".

First, you are assuming that list won't change. It will.

Second, you are assuming that these kids' lists won't change. They will.

Third, you are assuming that the current staff has had time to make inroads with these kids. They haven't.

Because you don't appreciate the low key style like you did Kiffin's "openness", you are holding CDD to a higher, unfair standard. CLK and his gang had already had a 2 month head start on where CDD is now. He had the whole dead period in December to review '10 recruits... and still his only commit at this point last year was a guy that committed to Fulmer. If you are going to say "Yeah, but we were on their lists" then I'm simply going to ask you for proof.
Make sure you take in account that (like you mentioned) the list for some of theses players are outdated due to new information. So what top players are we in it for? Oh yeah and resist the urge to list someone like Jadeveon Clowney just because were "listed" by scout.
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Who really knows? And since CDD has only had 6 weeks or so since his staff was completed and the madness of the '10 class ended.... AND since recruits can't sign anything for almost 11 months... Why does it really matter? Being "listed" at this point is significant... as in, not being written off.
 
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sjt18 said:
There are couple of assumptions you are going on here that are not "matters of fact".

First, you are assuming that list won't change. It will.

Second, you are assuming that these kids' lists won't change. They will.

Third, you are assuming that the current staff has had time to make inroads with these kids. They haven't.
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Ok How did i assume their list will not change? I never said that. What I said was the "BUZZ" around UT recruiting was not very good. How is that putting anything is cement, the "BUZZ" can change.

Because you don't appreciate the low key style like you did Kiffin's "openness", you are holding CDD to a higher, unfair standard. CLK and his gang had already had a 2 month head start on where CDD is now. He had the whole dead period in December to review '10 recruits... and still his only commit at this point last year was a guy that committed to Fulmer. If you are going to say "Yeah, but we were on their lists" then I'm simply going to ask you for proof.
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Wow where to start. Ok first i never really felt one way about kiffins "openness" and real the same way about DDs "low key approach". In fact i agree with you when you said the only buzz that matters is the ones around the recruits, yeah so hows that going.

Who really knows? And since CDD has only had 6 weeks or so since his staff was completed and the madness of the '10 class ended.... AND since recruits can't sign anything for almost 11 months... Why does it really matter? Being "listed" at this point is significant... as in, not being written off.
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This does make sense, im not ready to make a final opinion on CDD yet and i hope he does bring in good players but something has to be done for that change of peoples minds to happen. And i dont really expect that to be a huge season.
 
#89
#89
VolATLien said:
Ok How did i assume their list will not change? I never said that. What I said was the "BUZZ" around UT recruiting was not very good. How is that putting anything is cement, the "BUZZ" can change.
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Yet one kid after another after another that we had no ideas UT's staff was even remotely interested in pops up and mentions an offer or a call or a relationship.

The media isn't "buzzing" but the recruits seem to be.

Wow where to start. Ok first i never really felt one way about kiffins "openness" and real the same way about DDs "low key approach". In fact i agree with you when you said the only buzz that matters is the ones around the recruits, yeah so hows that going.
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If you read the articles here right now then go back and read the ones from a year ago... it is going about the same except for the Bryce Brown chatter.

This does make sense, im not ready to make a final opinion on CDD yet and i hope he does bring in good players but something has to be done for that change of peoples minds to happen. And i dont really expect that to be a huge season.
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Me either. So that "something" has to be something positive, right? So you either make yourself a lightning rod and try to work off that "bad boy" image or else you work your tail off developing relationships and selling kids on your program. You don't need media "buzz" to do the latter.
 
#90
#90
Oh, lord the meltdowners are breeding in here.

And I award Eric two thumbs for the first ever analogy comparing UT recruiting to the female menstrual cycle. :good!: :good!:
 
#91
#91
I would have to say that CDD is doing exactly what he needs to at this point. UT has a lot of needs and CDD needs to look at spring ball to determine his highest priorities. Plus it is not like UT hasn't offered or recruits are not looking. CDD just does not need the Hollywood script to get the job done.

Patience, the offers are out there and the recruits are looking.
 
#92
#92
It is a sad sad day when I have to admit that a Bammer has more common sense than most of our own fan base.
 
#94
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sjt18 said:
Yet one kid after another after another that we had no ideas UT's staff was even remotely interested in pops up and mentions an offer or a call or a relationship.

The media isn't "buzzing" but the recruits seem to be.
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But what im saying is that all these players that come out are not highly touted.


Me either. So that "something" has to be something positive, right? So you either make yourself a lightning rod and try to work off that "bad boy" image or else you work your tail off developing relationships and selling kids on your program. You don't need media "buzz" to do the latter.
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Yes, i agree that it should be positive. And like i said, i dont believe you need media attention to recruit well.
 
#95
#95
Everybody needs to calm down over this telling Eric Berry to leave crap.

If you guys are really going to believe what someone says on an internet forum then you are delusional!

You don't know what happened, how it happened or even if it happened. There are so many things that could have led up to him asking him to leave, if he did. It's ridiculous that all of you "Vol fans" where loving DD 2 weeks ago, now there is a rumor about him telling Berry to leave and he needs to change the way he coaches? Come on.

Say what you want... But I'm more concerned about UT's future than Eric Berry's feelings! Yes, I said it. Shoot me down straight to hell! What's that coaches name that did the same thing his first year? He coaches at Alabama and pretty much raised DD in his coaching up coming...heard he's doing a pretty good job.

Grow up and stop pouring fuel on the fire. It's all rumors until it comes out of DD's mouth!
 
#96
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VolATLien said:
But what im saying is that all these players that come out are not highly touted.
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Not all the players talking about any school right now are highly touted. Besides that, after summer camps the list of "highly touted" players will change and probably significantly. Rivals hasn't evaluated or graded players yet.

I think Scout gets a bit of a bad rap but it is pretty early to be naming a top 100.

All I'm really saying is let it play out. Give the guy a chance... at least as much of a chance as Kiffin got... before drawing a bunch of negative conclusions.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not all the players talking about any school right now are highly touted. Besides that, after summer camps the list of "highly touted" players will change and probably significantly. Rivals hasn't evaluated or graded players yet.

I think Scout gets a bit of a bad rap but it is pretty early to be naming a top 100.

All I'm really saying is let it play out. Give the guy a chance... at least as much of a chance as Kiffin got... before drawing a bunch of negative conclusions.
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...Ok

But im still skeptical becuase the highly touted players that are coming out, especially the ones from the south, arent really considering us.
 
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#98
#98
VolATLien said:
...Ok

But im still skeptical becuase the highly touted players that are coming out, especially the ones from the south, arent really considering us.
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Which ones? Actually no... which list of highly touted players are you referring to? That's the only way we'll get on the same page here. It is very possible that your skepticism is inflating those who aren't interested and diminishing those who are.
 
#99
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BTW, I have not bought in. I want facts and proof. There just isn't enough of those for me to write him off or buy in. I am also skeptical... but I was still skeptical of Kiffin while acknowledging some good things he'd done.

It takes more than Kiffin's recruiting and 7-6 season to win me over... so it definitely takes more than what Dooley has done so far.
 
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sjt18 said:
Which ones? Actually no... which list of highly touted players are you referring to? That's the only way we'll get on the same page here. It is very possible that your skepticism is inflating those who aren't interested and diminishing those who are.
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Players like Clowney, Wilder, Lemay, Vaughters, Peake, and Crowell.

These are only highly rated players from the south.

To address the second part of your post i would say your right to a degree. To counter the blind optimism of those who believe that nothing bad can ever happen to UT football i think i have underrated our recruiting efforts a little to prove a point (kinda like when a decent player is super overrated so you say he sucks to balance it out and put it in perspective.)
 
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