Is Kurt Warner a Hall Of Famer

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Low Country Vol said:
Should that discredit montana for having Rice and Walsh or Bradshaw for having Swann and stallworth and knoll
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Not to mention Warner was the beneficiary of indoor football.

I'm not trying to take anything away from him, he's shown a lot of character to rebound and come back at this stage of his career and to potentially lead the Cardinals to their first winning season in 10 years.
 
#27
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doozer said:
right now, Bruce has more TDs, YDS and RECs than Holt.

and better numbers that Irvin, Monk, and Largent (to name a few) that are already HOFers. the dude is a shoe in for enshrinement.
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Thanks for showing me the light. I didn't realize that Bruce's stats were that good.

I've just always thought of Holt being the better WR when they played together
 
#28
#28
Same here, and it never seemed like Bruce's numbers would be that high... But i am impressed!

Holt at NC State was just about ridiculous
 
#30
#30
Kurt Warner is a great QB. He is also a fine Christian man whose actions back up his words. I am happy for him. He no longer has to look over his shoulder when he throws a pick, his offensive line is playing well, he has great skill players around him, and his confidence is back to what it was in his Rams days. It's a great story.
 
#32
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Warner's a case where he hasnt had a very strong overall career (it spiked and then immediately he was left for dead nearly 2-3 years later); it's really going to depend on how he finishes up. If he gets to another Super Bowl and wins it and is MVP, then yeah. If he stays moderately successful and then retires, then it's a 50-50 on the time set. If he falls back apart, then the odds change again.

He'll be one of those guys who will probably get into the HOF, but unless he becomes very successful again, it's either going to be when he's an old man or he'll be one of those that gets in a long time after he's passed on
 
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TrueOrange said:
Warner's a case where he hasnt had a very strong overall career (it spiked and then immediately he was left for dead nearly 2-3 years later); it's really going to depend on how he finishes up. If he gets to another Super Bowl and wins it and is MVP, then yeah. If he stays moderately successful and then retires, then it's a 50-50 on the time set. If he falls back apart, then the odds change again.

He'll be one of those guys who will probably get into the HOF, but unless he becomes very successful again, it's either going to be when he's an old man or he'll be one of those that gets in a long time after he's passed on
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Have you been paying attention this year? Moderately successful? He still has plenty left in the tank.
 
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kev20 said:
Have you been paying attention this year? Moderately successful? He still has plenty left in the tank.
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I agree. This guy looks like he was brought through a Gators passing school. He's scary accurate and if he gets in a zone your done.
 
#35
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doozer said:
one's religious affiliation has nothing to do with the HoF.
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One's religious affiliation has nothing to do with the Hall of Fame, but Kurt's sincerity in his Christian faith is a breath of fresh air in an age when so many celebrity professing Christians actions do not back up their words. I also appreciate the fact that he stayed true to his faith in the tough years. It's easy to praise the Lord when everything is going well, but it's another thing all together to praise the Lord in the tough times! #13 is the type of guy that most non-believers respect.
 
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kev20 said:
Have you been paying attention this year? Moderately successful? He still has plenty left in the tank.
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i never said he was moderately, greatly, or any kind of successful there...i was just going on the different paths/possibilities there, no definite statements

he's still got plenty left in the tank and is playing well, i agree on that: i was at the cards-rams game and saw alot first hand.

What i meant though was, while he's playing great this year, he's got to keep up this level of play for a few more years so it doesnt just look like a flash in the pan or win a super bowl again. If he does that, he'll definitely get into the hall....like 4-5 years after he's available, if not then it'll be much longer.

The "unless he's very successful" comment meant that if he wants immediate induction, he's going to have to play a few more years and have near the same success he had as part of that greatest show on turf. he's close, but not there yet
 
#37
#37
This guy went from scanning groceries to throwing TD's in the Bowl. Hall of Famer? I don't know, but I'd vote for it.
 
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Low Country Vol said:
Should that discredit montana for having Rice and Walsh or Bradshaw for having Swann and stallworth and knoll
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For the record.. Montana was probably going to make it before Jerry Rice came along. He had already won 2 SBs. Rice just made the last 2 really fun to watch.
 
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Nicholas25 said:
Kurt Warner is a great QB. He is also a fine Christian man whose actions back up his words. I am happy for him. He no longer has to look over his shoulder when he throws a pick, his offensive line is playing well, he has great skill players around him, and his confidence is back to what it was in his Rams days. It's a great story.
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His offensive line is pass blocking well, but the run blocking still needs a lot of work. The biggest thing with Warner is that he had MAJOR problems with the thumb on his throwing hand for years. He kept reinjuring it, and it made him more prone to fumbles as well as having a significant impact on the velocity and accuracy of his passes. His thumb has finally been healthy now for at least the last two seasons, and it shows in his stats. He threw more touchdowns than any quarterback in the NFL in the second half of last year (Yes. More than Tom Brady) after Matt Leinart got injured.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Warner's a case where he hasnt had a very strong overall career (it spiked and then immediately he was left for dead nearly 2-3 years later); it's really going to depend on how he finishes up. If he gets to another Super Bowl and wins it and is MVP, then yeah. If he stays moderately successful and then retires, then it's a 50-50 on the time set. If he falls back apart, then the odds change again.

He'll be one of those guys who will probably get into the HOF, but unless he becomes very successful again, it's either going to be when he's an old man or he'll be one of those that gets in a long time after he's passed on
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So what you're saying is that in your opinion, he needs to go to the Super Bowl three times (and win 2 of them) AND win the NFL MVP Award at least two times AND be the Super Bowl MVP two times in his career to ensure getting into the Hall of Fame. I hope that sounds as absurd to you as it does to me.
 
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TrueOrange said:
The "unless he's very successful" comment meant that if he wants immediate induction, he's going to have to play a few more years and have near the same success he had as part of that greatest show on turf. he's close, but not there yet
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For the record, Warner is currently on pace to throw for the most yards in a single season in his career (4,907 yards), considerably more yards than he did during his Super Bowl championship season of 1999 (when he won the NFL MVP award and threw for 4,353 yards), and more than in 2001 when he once again won the NFL MVP Award, and once again took his team to the Super Bowl (and threw for 4,830 yards). In 2001, by the way, his passing yards total of 4,830 yards is the second most passing yards in a single season by any quarterback in NFL history - second to Dan Marino's 1984 season in which he threw for 5,084 yards. THAT is the number that he is on pace to beat this year. It sure would be nice if he could have "some success" again.

By the way, Warner also has one of the highest career QB ratings in NFL history and is #1 in career passing accuracy in NFL history.

Warner will be inducted into the Hall of Fame, and it's not even a close call.
 
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#46
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hm...interesting debate. Warner right now is remembered for his two year run in St. Louis. but since then hasn't done much.

then this year comes a long.

three NFC title games, with two different teams, 2 superbowls, 1 win, 1 SBMVP, 2 league MVP's......that's pretty good stuff. minus seeing some career stats, that stuff is Bret Favre comparable.

i don't know how this year will turn out, but should he lead the Cards to a SB victory, it's a slam dunk.

i think if the season ends next weekend, i'm a lean to yes, eventually he'll get in.
 
#47
#47
Agreed. If the Arizona Cardinals make it to the SB, he's gone from a maybe to a shoe-in. Look at where this franchise is coming from.
 
#48
#48
As long as he remembers to send thank you cards to Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, and Mike Martz, I'm cool with his induction.
 
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