Is Muschamp that good? Why did he turn down ut then?

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We screwed ourselves yet again.Dont forget about sumlin.not going after sumlin really hurts
I want vomit when I think about it
 
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volunteers4life said:
So the UT job wasn't "good enough" for Muschump? I call BS on this. A brave, well compensated and capable coach will see UT for what it is, one of the best opportunities in all of college football to become a legend through the ressurection of a storied and once proud football program from the ashes of its near complete destruction. Returning it to the championship winning juggernaut that our players and all Vol fans everywhere deserve to be proud of again. The support has clearly been made available, state of the art training facilities, one of the largest stadiums in D1, the top recruiting budget, and it appears likely the highest paid HC in the NCAA. Florida, along with the rest of the SEC, better be ready. Its just a matter of time, no one will be sleeping on UT for much longer. Go Vols!
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While I admire your spirit (truly) the UT job at that time was a time bomb short on time. Remember, Muschamp wasn't the only one to be offered, only to turn the Vols down. And this essentially "blank check" that Dave Hart has right now wasn't an option.
 
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Regulator said:
While I admire your spirit (truly) the UT job at that time was a time bomb short on time. Remember, Muschamp wasn't the only one to be offered, only to turn the Vols down. And this essentially "blank check" that Dave Hart has right now wasn't an option.
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Yeah the money factor is huge---Hambone was shopping in the bargain bin at Wal Mart with 5 minutes before closing..."Look I found a Dooley Mom!"
 
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Can somebody do a list of 1.2.3. etc. of why ut isn't a nice job like uf or bama? We have an awesome stadium and fanbase. I mean what is being spread around the cfb coaching community about us?
 
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Aesius said:
Muschamp passed on UT because he knew he could get a better job.
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^ Ugly truth. Places like Florida and Texas have tons of high school talent that want to go to their schools. We have to recruit out of our state to get ours and "steal" them from the homestate teams. We can do this by offering them better facilities, better stadiums, better atmosphere, but now we have to put the last piece of the puzzle in place and also have a top tier coach that kids want to commit to. the bottom line is all the big football schools, especially SEC, have gotten a lot better at what it takes to have a big time program so it isn't as easy for us to come in and grab their best talent away from them. So from a prospective coaches standpoint, Tennessee is a harder place to be successful so why not take a job like Florida over ours. Easier to get to where you want to be. and Muschamp is a perfect example.
 
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I've read that he turned down more money from Tenn and took less to coach Florida.

I can see why any coach would turn it down after having 2 coaches in 3 years. We were in a bad spot.
 
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Ashevillevol said:
^ Ugly truth. Places like Florida and Texas have tons of high school talent that want to go to their schools. We have to recruit out of our state to get ours and "steal" them from the homestate teams. We can do this by offering them better facilities, better stadiums, better atmosphere, but now we have to put the last piece of the puzzle in place and also have a top tier coach that kids want to commit to. the bottom line is all the big football schools, especially SEC, have gotten a lot better at what it takes to have a big time program so it isn't as easy for us to come in and grab their best talent away from them. So from a prospective coaches standpoint, Tennessee is a harder place to be successful so why not take a job like Florida over ours. Easier to get to where you want to be. and Muschamp is a perfect example.
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Good post.

It's also harder for Tennessee to be successful when schools like UGA, LSU and South Carolina are winning.

Richt, Miles and Spurrier have done a great job of keeping their top in-state recruits from leaving.
 
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The results WM had this year will pay dividends on future success.

I surely didnt see this coming.

Not even gator fans saw this coming.

Year 2? Unreal.
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volberry said:
I didn't think much of him when he went to uf. I know he had an outstanding reputation as a dc and that if Texas was willing to give him the keys then he must have something the public didn't understand. But I didn't see this coming. I thought Foley was a fool for hiring him. So what is the reason he turned UT down when we interviewed him? Did administration not think enough of him to give him what a top coach needs to be hired? What was the package we offered him? Not that I want him now that he is covered in Gator filth, but this is an issue to not secure a good coach and let one of our main competitors get him and now look what happened.
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Muschamp inherited A 1 SEC talent when he arrived at UF. We still do not have A 1 SEC talent. So the answer is pretty clear, they have better players, much more speed, and will continue to recruit all the players he needs from Florida without having to go out of State. We have to go out of Tennessee to recruit 80-90% of our players.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Good post.

It's also harder for Tennessee to be successful when schools like UGA, LSU and South Carolina are winning.

Richt, Miles and Spurrier have done a great job of keeping their top in-state recruits from leaving.
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Recent success plays a factor as well.

Kids arent growing up wanting to be Vols. Especially not in Florida or Georgia.

We lack national exposure and success.
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I've said it before ... coaching gigs at places like Florida and Texas and USC are easy ... at least in relation to many other jobs. You can't stumble out your front door without tripping over a 5 star recruit. Plus, the sports media adores you from day#1. A coach has to really stink at his job or be under severe penalties from the NCAA to NOT win 8 or 9 games a year. That's why coaches who win at places like Florida don't have as much a claim on "greatness" as those that win elsewhere.

Muschamp took a job that he had a childhood connection to, but don't fool yourself into thinking that he wasn't scared of a job like Tennessee's situation a few years ago. He wanted an easier path and who could blame him? However, he isn't great. Never will be. A slightly above average guy can win big at Florida. No doubt the man has skills, but he was given the keys to a Rolls Royce that only needed a quick wash and a tune-up. A homeless derelict could win 7 or 8 games as HC at Florida.

Happy we didn't end up with him though. However, Dooley's fiasco makes me wonder sometimes ... nope, still glad we didn't get that idiotic, temper-tantrum throwing child of a coach. No matter how many games he wins, it's still Will Muschamp and I don't like the guy.
 
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look at '09 and '10 recruiting classes..

Then I will give you 1 guess on how he did it...

Just saying, coaches do not win games, players win games
 
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ajvol01 said:
IIRC correctly, the rumor was that Muschamp wanted a $0 buyout clause for HC jobs at Georgia and Texas.

Hamilton would not agree - at least that is the rumor I heard.
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I doubt that was the case. Most schools really who want a specific coach will have a donor pay the buyout. He just did not want to coach here under the circumstance which were present when we wanted him. I don't blame him at all. If I did not have generations of relatives at Tennessee, I would have made the same decision.
 
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volberry said:
If people know UT is such a hot mess then Hart has his hands full. Sounds to me like Phil had his hands tied. Also makes sense why Lane wanted to leave.
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PF had his hand in helping create the mess than having his "hands tied".

The mess the program was is an still is in (less of one IMO) is why a small few of us were fighting to give Dooley more time. Unfortunatly it didn't happen.

UTvols#1 said:
We screwed ourselves yet again.Dont forget about sumlin.not going after sumlin really hurts
I want vomit when I think about it
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seriously u r going to choke on ur vomit if u keep thinking about sumlin. He wasn't coming to UT. Got a raise out of the "talk" plain and simple. Also he wouldn't have done any better cause he isn't a program builder but a coach that can take a solid one over. That's his MO.
 
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volberry said:
Can somebody do a list of 1.2.3. etc. of why ut isn't a nice job like uf or bama? We have an awesome stadium and fanbase. I mean what is being spread around the cfb coaching community about us?
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1. Recent history - Incoming coach will have to change the perception of UT football. Our proud history is only important to us Vol homers. The rest of the country only knows of a program that dropped like a bomb over the past 7 years.

2. Reporting Structure - Dave Hart is pushing to get this fixed, but, no quality coach wants to deal with the possibility of their job security resting in the hands of academics who don't know football.

3. Money - we've been told this won't be a problem this time. But, as has been mentioned ad naseum, Hamilton got Dooley in the bargain bin for yearly pay, but Dooley nailed him on the buyout. Can't say as I blame Dooley for trying to protect himself, I really blame Hamilton. Yes, we were in a bad spot trying to hire a coach, but he gave too much to Dooley to get him here.

4. Fan expectations - Look at our history. Johnny Majors, beloved UT son, run out of town on a rail. Fulmer, beloved UT son, run out of town on a rail. Dooley, takes over a dumpster fire that every expert says will take 4-5 years to fix, run out of town. Fans expectations, all fans not just UT, are very high now. When you see what guys like Saban, Kelly, Muschamp, and others do in just three years, UT fans rightfully want that same result in K-town. These successful coaches avoided this gig for that very reason. They knew we were so screwed it couldn't be done in three years.

5. Recruiting - Probably one of the toughest recruiting gigs in the nation. Tennessee is not a strong football talent state. In our best year we are average. Even in those years, UT can't pull down the best recruits. Best recruiting spot in the state is Memphis, barely seen as in state by many. A huge risk/reward scenario if we do recruit it hard.

Another poster mentioned a brave person with the right qualifications could become a legend. Well, realistically, why be brave when you can become a legend much more easily somewhere else? I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's the real world.

I'm sure others can add more challenges of coaching at UT.
 
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Muschamp didn't want to be here. He had Texas in his pocket and was waiting on UF or UGA. We didn't figure into his plans, and we're lucky he was upfront about it.

Kiffin should have taught us a lesson about hiring people who consider UT beneath where they really want to be. Throwing a lot of money at someone who's happy where he is or hoping for something else usually buys a short-term solution to a long-term problem. If we revisit that strategy, we'll be replacing coaches every few years when they bolt to somewhere they'd rather be.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Recent success plays a factor as well.

Kids arent growing up wanting to be Vols. Especially not in Florida or Georgia.

We lack national exposure and success.
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True. LSU, UGA and SCarolina were average programs in the 90s. Tennessee and UF were the nationally elite SEC programs back then.
 
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Chad F said:
I've said it before ... coaching gigs at places like Florida and Texas and USC are easy ... at least in relation to many other jobs. You can't stumble out your front door without tripping over a 5 star recruit. Plus, the sports media adores you from day#1. A coach has to really stink at his job or be under severe penalties from the NCAA to NOT win 8 or 9 games a year. That's why coaches who win at places like Florida don't have as much a claim on "greatness" as those that win elsewhere.

Muschamp took a job that he had a childhood connection to, but don't fool yourself into thinking that he wasn't scared of a job like Tennessee's situation a few years ago. He wanted an easier path and who could blame him? However, he isn't great. Never will be. A slightly above average guy can win big at Florida. No doubt the man has skills, but he was given the keys to a Rolls Royce that only needed a quick wash and a tune-up. A homeless derelict could win 7 or 8 games as HC at Florida.

Happy we didn't end up with him though. However, Dooley's fiasco makes me wonder sometimes ... nope, still glad we didn't get that idiotic, temper-tantrum throwing child of a coach. No matter how many games he wins, it's still Will Muschamp and I don't like the guy.
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You're right and look what Zook did. 7-8 wins. But what bothers me is if you're halfway decent you can win at uf. We have to have a homerun hit coach to even be able to compete in the sec. Makes you wonder if dd went to uf and muschamp came here if things would have been the same for both.
 
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Cant explain why but i just feel good with him at Fl. Dont know why but he does not scare me as a coach, i think he will lose games he shouldnt. Kids will at some point get tired of his baby tantrums he throws on them. Dont think he wins a NC unless bama falls apart or gets ncaa trouble. Urban will cruise to undefeated seasons at in the little 10 or 12 er 14 whatever its gonna be. I look for Ohio St, Bama and ND to dominate the title game for a while to come.

May be wrong but thats my opinion and i own it! lol
 
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volberry said:
You're right and look what Zook did. 7-8 wins. But what bothers me is if you're halfway decent you can win at uf. We have to have a homerun hit coach to even be able to compete in the sec. Makes you wonder if dd went to uf and muschamp came here if things would have been the same for both.
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Um, no it wouldn't. :eek:lol:

Muschamp was next in line at Texas, and a respected defensive coach with NFL experience. Dooley had a losing record at La Tech, who appears to be doing just fine without him.

I wasn't completely sold on Muschamp before the season started, but I can say with a high degree of confidence that Derek Dooley wasn't exactly feared by the rest of the conference.
 
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