Is Muschamp that good? Why did he turn down ut then?

[Volt]

Florida will be even better this year, because of the monster recruiting class Florida had in 09. That class would make most any coach look good.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

I hate to say this, but:

Muschamp just took the worst Gator team in a generation to 11 - 1, and they still had a shot at the BCS NCG in the last week of the regular season.

Decidedly without a Johnny Football.

I'd have to give him the nod for SEC CotY, Franklin #2, Sumlin #3.

(Of course, I actually think Richt is going to sneak-in and win the BCS NCG now).

 

[LocoVol]

Worst in a generation? last four calsses were 4,12,1 and 5(espn) or 4, 12, 2 and 11(rivals).

 

[Insunseri]

Muschamp passed on UT because he knew he could get a better job.

As much as I hate to admit it, you're right. The idea was that he would take over as hc at texas, so he had no need to come to tn. Then florida opened up, and he packed up and left texas. Plain and simple...he thought he could do better than TN.

 

[VolBeef88]

Horrible timing. He probably realized MH was an idiot for even trying to hire someone full time in that time frame. Anyone with sense God gave a blade of grass knew we should've hired an interim.
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[Jax_Vol]

Muschump is making $2.4 million this year and has a $500,000 buyout. We paid $500,000 to La La tech for Dooley. I have an idea...

Let's hire Muschump! He won't say no to $5 million per year.

 

[golfballs]

Texas doesn't though. .......? C'mon man.

People said that on this board.

 

[golfballs]

Horrible timing. He probably realized MH was an idiot for even trying to hire someone full time in that time frame. Anyone with sense God gave a blade of grass knew we should've hired an interim.
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It was terrible timing. Hell even Troy Calhoun didn't want to come here at that time

 

[GAVol]

Muschamp passed on UT because he knew he could get a better job.

Yeah. It's really not that hard to figure out. Kiffin leaving after 1 season and with just a few weeks until signing day made us damaged goods.

 

[GAVol]

I hate to say this, but:

Muschamp just took the worst Gator team in a generation to 11 - 1, and they still had a shot at the BCS NCG in the last week of the regular season.

Ive been saying what a crock that is ever since people tried to convince themselves back in September that we were better than Florida. The only thing Florida lacked was decent QB play. They have talent all over the place.

 

[MikeVol44]

The results WM had this year will pay dividends on future success.

I surely didnt see this coming.

Not even gator fans saw this coming.

Year 2? Unreal.
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This is very true....I don't remember ANYONE expecting Fla to be this good--and I certainly did not think they would be that good. WM has done a great job this year and earned my respect--except for the UGA debacle....

and the VOLS were dang close...IF CP dives for that ball and IF CDD goes for it at midfield on 4th and 2...we needed those two plays and things could have been different...

 

[Jax_Vol]

This is very true....I don't remember ANYONE expecting Fla to be this good--and I certainly did not think they would be that good. WM has done a great job this year and earned my respect--except for the UGA debacle....

and the VOLS were dang close...IF CP dives for that ball and IF CDD goes for it at midfield on 4th and 2...we needed those two plays and things could have been different...

Yes, I thought the gators would lose 4-5 games. Much better than I expected.

 

[volinbama256]

Just Stop. Muschamp is a hot-headed DC that happens to have stepped into a program that is on auto-pilot when it comes to recruiting. Simple geography a recent success automatically gives him a huge leg up on talent/recruits... Miami in the hole doesn't hurt either. there is a reason Weis left after a year and its not to take the Kansas job. I hear is extremely hard to work for, but is getting away with all this because of the athletes the school is pulling in to mask his average coaching. I agree with an earlier post that said he passed on the UT job because he saw our depleted roster an knew it wouldn't take much to get athletes at FL.

 

[volberry]

1. Recent history - Incoming coach will have to change the perception of UT football. Our proud history is only important to us Vol homers. The rest of the country only knows of a program that dropped like a bomb over the past 7 years.

2. Reporting Structure - Dave Hart is pushing to get this fixed, but, no quality coach wants to deal with the possibility of their job security resting in the hands of academics who don't know football.

3. Money - we've been told this won't be a problem this time. But, as has been mentioned ad naseum, Hamilton got Dooley in the bargain bin for yearly pay, but Dooley nailed him on the buyout. Can't say as I blame Dooley for trying to protect himself, I really blame Hamilton. Yes, we were in a bad spot trying to hire a coach, but he gave too much to Dooley to get him here.

4. Fan expectations - Look at our history. Johnny Majors, beloved UT son, run out of town on a rail. Fulmer, beloved UT son, run out of town on a rail. Dooley, takes over a dumpster fire that every expert says will take 4-5 years to fix, run out of town. Fans expectations, all fans not just UT, are very high now. When you see what guys like Saban, Kelly, Muschamp, and others do in just three years, UT fans rightfully want that same result in K-town. These successful coaches avoided this gig for that very reason. They knew we were so screwed it couldn't be done in three years.

5. Recruiting - Probably one of the toughest recruiting gigs in the nation. Tennessee is not a strong football talent state. In our best year we are average. Even in those years, UT can't pull down the best recruits. Best recruiting spot in the state is Memphis, barely seen as in state by many. A huge risk/reward scenario if we do recruit it hard.

Another poster mentioned a brave person with the right qualifications could become a legend. Well, realistically, why be brave when you can become a legend much more easily somewhere else? I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's the real world.

I'm sure others can add more challenges of coaching at UT.

Very good reasons not to come here. Especially
2. You're right. Even at the top HS around the country they have the same reporting structure as the top colleges and HS coaches can't even succeed at places like that so why would they expect a college coach to? That's huge and should have never gotten to this point.
4. I would make sure the fans understood the situation. Because the team can't be hostage to the fans. We know that every fan base runs the revenue, but they have to get over it so a coach can come in.
5. I said it before, it's the local HS fault around the state. They have to setup a farm system like the state of florida and georgia. At least get the young players fully developed. That's our only chance.

2 and 4 the administration can address. So they just need to get on it, make it known, and let's move forward.

 

[ncvol17]

could be that you cannot sling a dead cat without hitting 6 five star recruits anywhere in Florida.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

could be that you cannot sling a dead cat without hitting 6 five star recruits anywhere in Florida.

And those 5* kids have 4 BCS schools as options if they want to stay close to home...5 if you include UCF joining what's left of the Big East.

 

[slickstirs]

I didn't think much of him when he went to uf. I know he had an outstanding reputation as a dc and that if Texas was willing to give him the keys then he must have something the public didn't understand. But I didn't see this coming. I thought Foley was a fool for hiring him. So what is the reason he turned UT down when we interviewed him? Did administration not think enough of him to give him what a top coach needs to be hired? What was the package we offered him? Not that I want him now that he is covered in Gator filth, but this is an issue to not secure a good coach and let one of our main competitors get him and now look what happened.

no recruiting base in tn...not much left in the cupboard to build from....irrational fanbase...

at fla. he gets lucky with driscoll..aka sumlin and johnny football...and has the recruiting base in his backyard...probably still has the irrational fanbase but with a little luck and a few wins you see what happens...

 

[TOP]

Didn't we offer him after Kiffin left?

In which case, he turned us down like everyone else because nobody wanted to take a job two weeks before NSD.

He would not only habr little time to come in recruit but being a DC, what coaching staff did he have? He still had to put one of those together too.

 

[orangeluvr]

Tennessee needs to find out what is in the water down there in fla and add it to ours. fla has the beaches and the girls look so tanned ........ it keeps the guys home ! :yes:

 

[volberry]

Tennessee needs to find out what is in the water down there in fla and add it to ours. fla has the beaches and the girls look so tanned ........ it keeps the guys home ! :yes:

Florida, and Cali are destination states. In Tn people like Nashville, but that's it. We have to be a perfect community for players to want to come to Knoxville. Even someone like Bray. He could have stayed and went to Cal or something. So we have to understand that when recruits come in here from out of state they don't HAVE to come here! Could you imagine Bray being someplace like Colorado and racking up 5000 yards and having a 8-4 season and living like a King and STILL making it to the NFL! Us fans need to understand this.

 

[rpeagram]

The jury is still out on Muschamp, but he can certainly coach up a defense.

BUT..... I would have fired SOMEONE after the Fla St game.... They (UF) could have dominated that game from start to finish but some idiot kept going away from the run and calling horrible slow developing plays or letting the QB run the ball.... bad coaching IMO... They finally went back to the run, right up the gut to finish the game.. UF's saving grace...

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Ive been saying what a crock that is ever since people tried to convince themselves back in September that we were better than Florida. The only thing Florida lacked was decent QB play. They have talent all over the place.

Problem with your thesis:

1. We were better than Florida for most of the damn game, and Muschamp knew it. The fake punt was desperation, and our Gator trolls were scratching their heads on Sunday on this board how they won.

I'm still trying to convince the board (the more creative types) to come up with the "Third and Chavis" for Dools. However, that game was something special where both Dooley and Chaney conspired to seize defeat from the jaws of victory.

2. Talent everywhere on defense. Not on offense. I think Driskel will be a gamer starting next year. No real gamebreakers, no one who could turn a game by himself - first time in a generation, truly.

3. Muschamp consistently through the season made fantastic second half adjustments and won games. I've got to tip my hat.

Now, you and I were both ones who urged caution when many, many fans thought we were going to hobnail boot them.

 

[volberry]

Problem with your thesis:

1. We were better than Florida for most of the damn game, and Muschamp knew it. The fake punt was desperation, and our Gator trolls were scratching their heads on Sunday on this board how they won.

I'm still trying to convince the board (the more creative types) to come up with the "Third and Chavis" for Dools. However, that game was something special where both Dooley and Chaney conspired to seize defeat from the jaws of victory.

2. Talent everywhere on defense. Not on offense. I think Driskel will be a gamer starting next year. No real gamebreakers, no one who could turn a game by himself - first time in a generation, truly.

3. Muschamp consistently through the season made fantastic second half adjustments and won games. I've got to tip my hat.

Now, you and I were both ones who urged caution when many, many fans thought we were going to hobnail boot them.

he is the best halftime adjustment coach in cfb. that's his growth.

 

[Vol_Maul]

Muschimp recommended Dooley to us. He should burn in the blazes of the same hell as Hitler for that one.

 

[volroadwarrior]

I didn't think much of him when he went to uf. I know he had an outstanding reputation as a dc and that if Texas was willing to give him the keys then he must have something the public didn't understand. But I didn't see this coming. I thought Foley was a fool for hiring him. So what is the reason he turned UT down when we interviewed him? Did administration not think enough of him to give him what a top coach needs to be hired? What was the package we offered him? Not that I want him now that he is covered in Gator filth, but this is an issue to not secure a good coach and let one of our main competitors get him and now look what happened.

Muschamp had a boatload of talent when he came in and at Gainesville will have no problem keeping the shelves stocked. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out.