Is Pruitt unwilling to give an OC control?

[Cartervol]

You'd think he'd have someone in place before the dead period ends. This is just another head scratching deal, seems all to common when talking about the Vols and hiring people.

 

[volfannbama]

Unlike Saban, who is universally loved by his assistants.

Im sure coaches weight in their ability to look like really good coaches under saban with that of a rookie coach that got blown out in every loss and struggled to score against Charlotte, ya think?

 

[Jack Burton]

Safe to assume? Why? We do not know if anyone has been offered the position, so the rest of your post is null and AVOID! Pure conjecture.

Insiders believe Freeze was always #1. Pruitt went after him only to get shot down by Fulmer (or someone with more authority). According to insiders we actually offered Yurcich only to be turned down either because the job is too difficult here, or he just wants to be at OSU.

It seems the job is sh1t (perception and possibly reality) and no established OC wants to touch it.

 

[volfannbama]

Any assertions made are based on educated speculation at best. In other words, you don’t know, I don’t know, Austen Price doesn’t know, Jimmy Hyams doesn’t know, Jayson Swain doesn’t know, Tony Basilio doesn’t know, Doug Matthews doesn’t know, NOBODY but Pruitt and Fulmer know what the heck is going on with this escapade. You can hypothesize all you want, it is what it is. It looks bad. But is it, who the heck the knows?
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So just shut talk forums down?

 

[zydane47]

He had once said in the 1st half of the season he was trying to get involved with the offense more. It seemed he was saying he was focusing too much on the D and was going to try being more of a HC where he manages all more equally. I have a hard time thinking he was holding too much control before or all of a sudden decided to take so much control he's running OC candidates off.

This.

I remember him saying he needed to pay attention to the offense more, it was after that when we saw two things happen. Pruitt paid more attention to Helton and Helton was moved down to the sideline.

That to me is when he started to make things more in what he wanted, cause wasn’t the Auburn game the first game with Helton on the sideline?

That was also the game where we saw Pruitt motion for Helton to attack downfield and not try to run out the clock, next play was a hailmary.

So I don’t think Pruitt was too controlling at first but he did after he saw that Helton wasn’t attacking more. Cause after that we did seem to air it out more.

If an OC has an issue with his boss telling him what to do then we don’t need that

 

[BigBadVol]

Well... except for the AVOID thing maybe.

Intentional. Thought the all caps would be a clue.

 

[Alex10]

Im sure coaches weight in their ability to look like really good coaches under saban with that of a rookie coach that got blown out in every loss and struggled to score against Charlotte, ya think?

Derp Derp derp what did you expect against mighty Charlotte? We just don’t have the athletes to compete with them derp derp derp, you guys are expecting to much from Pruitt to be able to compete with the mighty Vanderbilt commodores!!! Derp derp derp!!!!!

 

[volfannbama]

Derp Derp derp what did you expect against mighty Charlotte? We just don’t have the athletes to compete with them derp derp derp, you guys are expecting to much from Pruitt to be able to compete with the mighty Vanderbilt commodores!!! Derp derp derp!!!!!

Well, in all fairness, I did forget to check the average weight of their lineman. Lol

 

[VOLATNES]

Head coaches do not give up control of any entity in their program. Fulmer pissed off Cut and Chavis many times with changes to play calls, plans or who might play. Coordinators work for the head coach and at the end of the day, the head coach can make the final call. I have spoken with both of them when they were so mad they could chew nails.

I like how we just jump right over posts like this over and over. VN poses hypothetical situations with much discussion involving name calling and hand ringing. We come up with the sky is falling screams. All that’s fine, it’s what a message board is about. Yet we get someone like LWS (or Deer Park) who have been closely in the know for many years who explains how things work on the inside of these type things, and we gloss right over it and continue to make up things to throw against the wall.

 

[OldLofter]

Our fans will be ready to run off whoever we hire after 1-3 weeks next year. We have no lineman to block, a mediocre qb, best running back gets hurt and is small and over rated receivers with no depth there. But we’ll still blame it on the coach next September regardless. Job looks great to proven OC’s

Sounds like nowhere to go but up! That will determine the quality of the OC we get. Someone who has something to prove.

 

[VolsFan-TX]

Insiders believe Freeze was always #1. Pruitt went after him only to get shot down by Fulmer (or someone with more authority). According to insiders we actually offered Yurcich only to be turned down either because the job is too difficult here, or he just wants to be at OSU.

It seems the job is sh1t (perception and possibly reality) and no established OC wants to touch it.

Who are these “insiders”? I hope you are not referring to any of the Knoxville area media. How do we know Pruitt went after Freeze and how do we know someone above Pruitt said no? No one, outside of Pruitt, the UTAD, and those coaches who have spoken with Pruitt know the truth.

 

[HonestVol24]

Sounds like nowhere to go but up! That will determine the quality of the OC we get. Someone who has something to prove.

I have faith in the football guys we have calling shots finally in the AD but this isn’t a great job at this moment. Next year or 2 years from now is when the job needs to look great.

 

[pismonque]

Intentional. Thought the all caps would be a clue.

Well, color me CLUED IN then!

lol, it's the FF — certain automatic assumptions are in play. No offense, I have neither the gumption nor capacity to adjust individually.

 

[HonestVol24]

Who are these “insiders”? I hope you are not referring to any of the Knoxville area media. How do we know Pruitt went after Freeze and how do we know someone above Pruitt said no? No one, outside of Pruitt, the UTAD, and those coaches who have spoken with Pruitt know the truth.

Don’t waste your breath. Some of our fans believe everything they hear and think local radio knows anything more than the casual fan. The only “insider” that may have inside sources would be hubbs and he’ll never spill something like that before the AD starts leaking the story and announces it. That’s how he keeps his place inside the program. Fulmer and Pruitt keep everything in house and when they want the fans to know something they will tell you.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Some pretty big assumptions in the OP, OP.

Like, CJP has offered the job to a lot of people.

Like, a lot of people have turned the job down.

What if, maybe, just maybe, Pruitt knew exactly who he wanted before Helton ever left, and Pruitt quietly asked that person, and that person agreed (but only after that person's current team's season is over), and it has all been settled all this time except for a delayed announcement and a mouth-breathing fan base?

I consider that scenario just as likely as any other offered on these boards over the past month.

 

[njvols]

Talent level is the main reason for the difficultly.

Also heard interesting take the other day, in that we've got an OC position open, but not OL. Many high level OC's have the leverage to bring their OL coach with them...and in some cases, this is a deal breaker. At the end of the day, you gotta put the enterprise above self, and if chance of having elite OC who brings their own OL coach means parting ways with current OL coach, then you do it...that's what Saban would do if he were building a program...always upgrading.

 

[HonestVol24]

Some pretty big assumptions in the OP, OP.

Like, CJP has offered the job to a lot of people.

Like, a lot of people have turned the job down.

What if, maybe, just maybe, Pruitt knew exactly who he wanted before Helton ever left, and Pruitt quietly asked that person, and that person agreed (but only after that person's current team's season is over), and it has all been settled all this time except for a delayed announcement and a mouth-breathing fan base?

I consider that scenario just as likely as any other offered on these boards over the past month.

Say it louder for those in the back that believe local radio and twitter guys have “sources” and “insiders”. Between fulmer and Pruitt that’s as tight-lipped as an Athletic department can be now days.

 

[Behr]

Say it louder for those in the back that believe local radio and twitter guys have “sources” and “insiders”. Between fulmer and Pruitt that’s as tight-lipped as an Athletic department can be now days.

Lol.... 2 or 3 weeks ago....

Doug Matthews: "Pruitt and staff are talking to no one, that's why nothing is being leaked. Pruitt has his guy and it's 95% done."

Wait, Wut?

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Pruitt knows his reputation as a head coach; longevity at UT; and chances at another HC job if he leaves UT (circle one or all) hinge on what happens with this program over the next 3 seasons. Recruiting is on the upswing, which is one of his known strengths. That 5-7 season has to be gnawing at his insides, and I'll wager that he is vowed and determined that it will not happen again. Hence the comments about "recruiting better players". It was an intentional, if somewhat unprofessional, shot across the bow of both over-rated and under-performing players. I'd say there's a level of "get better now" inside the program that UT has not seen in decades. Good...it's overdue.

The OC choice is important, and it's critical for Pruitt. He needs to be able to sit back and manage the overall program, without paying too much attention to one area over the others. Thus, he needs an OC that he can trust with half of his team. I'm also guessing that a condition of the hire is that the majority, if not all of, the current "O" staff stays in place. Taking into account the 10-year-deep abyss that UT football has fallen in to; the strength of the SEC East; the likes of Alabama, LSU, and Texas A&M on the other side; and having to work with the existing staff...finding the right OC is going to be tough.

Only two options seem to fit. One, an experienced OC or position coach who got canned on a HC change; doesn't like the NFL; or relishes the challenge (and the potential pay raise) that UT offers; and two, an "up and comer" who sees UT as a place to plant his flag and make his name. That's my guess, which is at least as bad as any other here.

If he promotes from within, then it means no one outside the program would take the job under his terms.

Go Vols.

 

[volfannbama]

I like how we just jump right over posts like this over and over. VN poses hypothetical situations with much discussion involving name calling and hand ringing. We come up with the sky is falling screams. All that’s fine, it’s what a message board is about. Yet we get someone like LWS (or Deer Park) who have been closely in the know for many years who explains how things work on the inside of these type things, and we gloss right over it and continue to make up things to throw against the wall.

Ive never been in any group where everyone agreed all the time, so I dont think that is breaking news. The point here, to me, is what would a good OC want to subject themselves to:
- a University that has proven over a decade to be a joke, not committed to winning.
- an offense that doesnt seem capable of winning at a high level
- a micromanaging head coach that is difficult to get along with.....and didnt allow the last OC to run his offense?

 

[VolHeel]

I don’t think the TN admin cares what is said here, so there’s no “dealing with it”.

There are plenty of other possibilities out there in the NFL and with 2 college teams left, so maybe it’s a timing thing. Some of y’all are like the girl (or guy) that just loves to get dumped so you have a reason to cry. Go watch Steel Magnolias and fast forward to the end. Emotional porn at its finest! That should be enough to help you sleep. If not watch Ol Yeller, too.

 

[HonestVol24]

Lol.... 2 or 3 weeks ago....

Doug Matthews: "Pruitt and staff are talking to no one, that's why nothing is being leaked. Pruitt has his guy and it's 95% done."

Wait, Wut?

Local media has 3 options.. be honest and say I have no idea, I’ll know when most everybody else does... or we’re getting rejected like crazy... or say he’s had his guy all along and the deal has been done. There will Be multiple local guys who guess right because it’s like flipping a coin, only 2 ways it can go.

 

[HonestVol24]

Ive never been in any group where everyone agreed all the time, so I dont think that is breaking news. The point here, to me, is what would a good OC want to subject themselves to:
- a University that has proven over a decade to be a joke, not committed to winning.
- an offense that doesnt seem capable of winning at a high level
- a micromanaging head coach that is difficult to get along with.....and didnt allow the last OC to run his offense?

Not saying you’re wrong but where did You get the info on the 3rd point?

 

[volfannbama]

Not saying you’re wrong but where did You get the info on the 3rd point?

Just my opinion....like always.

 

[HonestVol24]

Just my opinion....like always.

Fair enough. I would say the oline And lack of talent led to the limited play calling but that’s just an opinion too. I’m sure all coaches are somewhat micromangers to a certain degree. The navy football helmet represents you or family?