Is Pruitt unwilling to give an OC control?

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VFL-82-JP said:
Some pretty big assumptions in the OP, OP.

Like, CJP has offered the job to a lot of people.

Like, a lot of people have turned the job down.

What if, maybe, just maybe, Pruitt knew exactly who he wanted before Helton ever left, and Pruitt quietly asked that person, and that person agreed (but only after that person's current team's season is over), and it has all been settled all this time except for a delayed announcement and a mouth-breathing fan base?

I consider that scenario just as likely as any other offered on these boards over the past month.
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I agree but either way some of the "perceived" or real scenarios are quickly coming to an end. A good chance we will never know what went on behind the scenes but I do know that most NFL decisions are made and as of Monday night about 11:59 PM EST there aint no more college guys coaching. So if by Weds somebody's not announced one of the other scenarios moves up?
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
It would make sense if they did. Ball control is all the rage on offense in college now. 🙄🙄
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I sense sarcasm, but if you watch the 4 playoff teams, all 4 count the clock down to nearly 10 seconds before snapping and are about 70/30 run. They run behind power bunch formations and fullbacks. TEs are only in to block. They have this groundbreaking strategy of running a lot to set up what they now call "play-action" pass. It's an optimal part of the modern offense, even if running is your weak spot...just WAIT for the PA Pass. Totally worth it. They try to score slowly because they want their defense to rest and/or power nap, when possible.
 
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bag12day said:
I agree but either way some of the "perceived" or real scenarios are quickly coming to an end. A good chance we will never know what went on behind the scenes but I do know that most NFL decisions are made and as of Monday night about 11:59 PM EST there aint no more college guys coaching. So if by Weds somebody's not announced one of the other scenarios moves up?
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Agreed. I see it the same way. Knowing that Pruitt knows pretty much every member of the Bama staff, great and small, as well as a number of folks on the Clemson staff (and that's not even considering the pro teams in the playoffs), I don't feel like it is "dwindling" yet ... but doors start slamming shut on this scenario in about a week, and will be totally shut by a day or two after Super Bowl Sunday.
 
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OP, basing an opinion on media reporting of "sources within the program" and "close to the situation is no way be "safe to assume". Assuming is exactly what they are doing. We don't know anything for sure. That's what is "safe to assume".

I honestly could care less if Pruitt has offered anyone, has his guy, is not willing to give control, scaring people off, or is so particular that he has yet to find his guy. Don't care if he hires a middle school science teacher who helps w special teams part time. I just want the guy to start turning the mess of a program around.

Since nobody on this board knows 1% of what a CFB OC actually does on a daily basis, then I'll just lay the responsibility at CJPs feet and let him do it his way. Just figure out how to beat Vandy!
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Urban is an offensive background guy.

Kiffin carries a play sheet, but he is calling the plays.

Can you find us a photo of Saban carrying a play sheet....?
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He can't read and they didn't have enough room for those little cartoon elephants carrying footballs on an 8.5X11.
 
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I don't know, but it seems like everyone we've hired, EXCEPT Kiffin has been incompetent of putting together a sound staff. Everyone else seems like they are trying to sabotage us. There has been so many no brainer hires over the years, yet we always end up hoping for the best
 
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volfannbama said:
Half the people say he did, half say he didnt (with Helton).

He has a well documented history of being difficult to work with.
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Really! Well documented! Please provide us with this well documented proof you speak of. Not someone's opinion of an incident but proof Pruitt is "difficult" to work with. Also please explain your definition of "difficult" in the context you mean.
 
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Boy, it's a good thing we have all these armchair experts here to second guess anything and everything about our coach. Does anyone know which shirt CJP was wearing today? If so, please post that info here so our panel of Einstein's can decide if that was ok with them or not.

Heck, let him take another month, if he wants, to pick an OC. It's up to him - he is the one that has everything on the line. Leave him alone and quit trying to micro manage him. Thats what he can do if he wants...he is the head man. It's way past time that we had a coach to bring knowledge and structure to The Hill. He knows what has to be done to win. Thats what he has done everywhere he has been - has learned from the best. It's pitiful how he gets slammed for laying a foundation to bring what he has experienced and has been a part of.....winning.

I think someone needs to start a thread about what he had for lunch, what time he ate, how much pepper he used and when he went to the bathroom and we can decide what would have been best for him.
 
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Devo182 said:
I sense sarcasm, but if you watch the 4 playoff teams, all 4 count the clock down to nearly 10 seconds before snapping and are about 70/30 run. They run behind power bunch formations and fullbacks. TEs are only in to block. They have this groundbreaking strategy of running a lot to set up what they now call "play-action" pass. It's an optimal part of the modern offense, even if running is your weak spot...just WAIT for the PA Pass. Totally worth it. They try to score slowly because they want their defense to rest and/or power nap, when possible.
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Sarcasm is about all I have left to get me through following this program.

And Makers. Lots and lots of Makers.

I get what you are saying but the 4 teams in the playoffs aren't good examples. Not even close bud.

Clemson had more passing plays than rushing against ND.

OK had more passing attempts than rushing against Bama. Understandably so.

Bama had 28 passes to 42 rushes but a 31-10 halftime lead against an explosive offense could dictate leaning on the run.

ND had 35 rushes to 34 passes.

Not a single team in the 2 games ran the ball 70 percent of the time as you stated.

And I don't think it is so much as they are worried about the clock. I feel most OCs are running the clock down not for the sake of TOP or resting their defense, but getting the opposing defense to commit and giving the QBs additional time to read the defense.

Good teams will also periodically run tempo to keep the opposing defense on the field and keep them from substituting DL.

But yes, the groundbreaking offense you described was terrific in the 90s and early 2000s. Seems to fit right in with what Fulmer and Pruitt wants and I suspect Will Friend has some input as well since he was involved with coordinating at UGA and Colorado ST.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Urban is an offensive background guy.

Kiffin carries a play sheet, but he is calling the plays.

Can you find us a photo of Saban carrying a play sheet....?
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Saban only has headsets in his hands, and that is only long enough to smash them on the ground....
 
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Maybe what if just possibly maybe Pruitt is going to relinquish his HC duties, become the DC, and let the new head coach hire the OC ?
 
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Maybe everyone is looking at the Shoop fiasco. He wanted to bring his own guys and couldn't. How'd that work out for us?
 
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RollerVol said:
well, Coach Pruitt is gonna have to let an OC worth having to run the offense, and from what I saw demonstrated on the sideline with Coach Helton, no one worth having will put up with that type of behavior...you just can't treat people like that and expect positive results attracting prospective coaches and if they do they won't stay very long...

GO VOLS...RECRUIT LIKE HECK!
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Thank you, I have been saying this the whole time and getting blasted.
 
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greenbacknative said:
Maybe everyone is looking at the Shoop fiasco. He wanted to bring his own guys and couldn't. How that work out for us?
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How many coordinators bring their own crew? How many is Alex Grinch taking to Norman? How many did Briles end up taking to Florida State? The fact that a coaching overhaul was NEEDED for that bunch (specially Thig and Martinez) is besides the point. It’s the general principle. Pruitt’s going into his second season...there’s ONE open position.
 
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greenbacknative said:
Maybe everyone is looking at the Shoop fiasco. He wanted to bring his own guys and couldn't. How that work out for us?
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Bob Shoop was universally praised on VN as a major home run. Not a dissenting voice in the house, mine included. That's what makes the biggest impression on me.

We don't have a CLUE who needs to fill this position.
 
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butchna said:
How many coordinators bring their own crew? How many is Alex Grinch taking to Norman? How many did Briles end up taking to Florida State? The fact that a coaching overhaul was NEEDED for that bunch (specially Thig and Martinez) is besides the point. It’s the general principle. Pruitt’s going into his second season...there’s ONE open position.
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Then it's gonna be Friend and he'll move others around...
 
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HonestVol24 said:
Our fans will be ready to run off whoever we hire after 1-3 weeks next year. We have no lineman to block, a mediocre qb, best running back gets hurt and is small and over rated receivers with no depth there. But we’ll still blame it on the coach next September regardless. Job looks great to proven OC’s 🙄
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I would hope none of our potential OCs are worrying about social media...
 
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