Is The 1/6 Commission Coming?

[Jxn Vol]

I’m hearing that the Shaman was yelling hands up don’t shoot

 

[OrangeBoro]

You just can't handle that there are Senate Republicans undercutting that argument. It's not a partisan matter, anymore.

Sen. Mike Rounds of South Dakota is a conservative from a red state that Donald Trump won twice.

You have repeated this 100 times, no one cared then and we won't care the next 100 times you reply with the same posts about a few R Senators.

 

[luthervol]

In smaller areas yes BLM wasnt violent.....b but the damage and life lost in the ones that were are of significant value... And pale in comparison to Jan 6th. What do you make of say the shaman bring lead by capitol police... While the committee says he was violent and ignored commands?

There were certainly a handful where people wishing to riot used the protests as cover and an excuse.
Take Atlanta for instance. Peaceful or riotous?
I know that the overwhelming majority were 100% peaceful, but many on the right view Atlanta as one of the hot beds for the riots.

 

[Jxn Vol]

There were certainly a handful where people wishing to riot used the protests as cover and an excuse.
Take Atlanta for instance. Peaceful or riotous?
I know that the overwhelming majority were 100% peaceful, but many on the right view Atlanta as one of the hot beds for the riots.

Some of the rioters were FBI. Wray couldn’t deny that when questioned by the Senate

 

[luthervol]

Some of the rioters were FBI. Wray couldn’t deny that when questioned by the Senate

• “The select committee is aware of unsupported claims that Ray Epps was an FBI informant based on the fact that he was on the FBI wanted list and then was removed from that list without being charged,” a committee spokesperson said.
• “Mr. Epps informed us that he was not employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of any law enforcement agency on January 5th or 6th or at any other time,” the spokesperson said.

 

[Jxn Vol]

• “The select committee is aware of unsupported claims that Ray Epps was an FBI informant based on the fact that he was on the FBI wanted list and then was removed from that list without being charged,” a committee spokesperson said.
• “Mr. Epps informed us that he was not employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of any law enforcement agency on January 5th or 6th or at any other time,” the spokesperson said.

Oh of course he said that. We will take his word for it. Lol.

 

[hog88]

You have repeated this 100 times, no one cared then and we won't care the next 100 times you reply with the same posts about a few R Senators.

Plus I must ask, just how much did they actually witness? They were all herded away to safe areas before the protesters entered the building so just how much did they see?

 

[OrangeBoro]

Plus I must ask, just how much did they actually witness? They were all herded away to safe areas before the protesters entered the building so just how much did they see?

They saw what Liz Cheney and the rest of the fraud Jan 6 committee wanted them to see

 

[volinbham]

There were certainly a handful where people wishing to riot used the protests as cover and an excuse.
Take Atlanta for instance. Peaceful or riotous?
I know that the overwhelming majority were 100% peaceful, but many on the right view Atlanta as one of the hot beds for the riots.

interesting framing - using that phrasing I'd say the majority of those who entered the Capitol were 100% peaceful.

 

[hndog609]

interesting framing - using that phrasing I'd say the majority of those who entered the Capitol were 100% peaceful.

I think "mostly peaceful" has become the most contextually malleable phrase in the American lexicon. Apparently can mean damn near anything depending on who is doing the describing.

"MY mostly peaceful is completely different in every possible way from YOUR mostly peaceful."

 

[whodeycin85]

There were certainly a handful where people wishing to riot used the protests as cover and an excuse.
Take Atlanta for instance. Peaceful or riotous?
I know that the overwhelming majority were 100% peaceful, but many on the right view Atlanta as one of the hot beds for the riots.

Weren't there several riots in the ATL area cover several counties..I know they all weren't downtown...
And the damage caused by those few were billions of dollars and 100s of love lost....how can you reconcile a comparison to a couple millions and 1 life lost...huge difference Both predicated on false pretenses

 

[luthervol]

interesting framing - using that phrasing I'd say the majority of those who entered the Capitol were 100% peaceful.

I don't know that anyone has ever denied that the vast majority of Jan. 6th protestors where peaceful.

Many who entered the Capital may have also been "peaceful", but the mere fact that they knowingly entered a place where they were not allowed and was breached through force and violence, makes them at least an accessory to violence.

That is like a BLM protestor leaving an area where they are free to protest and forcing their way into an area where they are not allowed.

That is only "peaceful" to a point, especially if access to the area was gained through the violence of others.

Plus, I was saying that the overwhelming majority of protests were 100% peaceful. (not just the protestors)

 

[luthervol]

Weren't there several riots in the ATL area cover several counties..I know they all weren't downtown...
And the damage caused by those few were billions of dollars and 100s of love lost....how can you reconcile a comparison to a couple millions and 1 life lost...huge difference Both predicated on false pretenses

lol....no - there were not billions in damage and hundreds of lives lost in the Atl area.

 

[DC_Vol]

I don't know that anyone has ever denied that the vast majority of Jan. 6th protestors where peaceful.

Many who entered the Capital may have also been "peaceful", but the mere fact that they knowingly entered a place where they were not allowed and was breached through force and violence, makes them at least an accessory to violence.

That is like a BLM protestor leaving an area where they are free to protest and forcing their way into an area where they are not allowed.

That is only "peaceful" to a point, especially if access to the area was gained through the violence of others.

Plus, I was saying that the overwhelming majority of protests were 100% peaceful. (not just the protestors)

Is The 1/6 Commission Coming?

 

[whodeycin85]

lol....no - there were not billions in damage and hundreds of lives lost in the Atl area.

Not in ATL alone..no. You correct....but 25 people were killed and Buckhead alone had 10 to 15 million in damages.... substantially more then JAN 6...
But I wanna know your thoughts of the shaman bring lead thru the building. Despite the claims of the J6 committee of him refusing orders and violence?

 

[luthervol]

Not in ATL alone..no. You correct....but 25 people were killed and Buckhead alone had 10 to 15 million in damages.... substantially more then JAN 6...
But I wanna know your thoughts of the shaman bring lead thru the building. Despite the claims of the J6 committee of him refusing orders and violence?

I have no thoughts on it. Don't really know what you're talking about.

I did look and found this........
Jacob Chansley, the spear-carrying Jan. 6 rioter whose horned fur hat, bare chest and face paint made him one of the more recognizable figures in the assault on the Capitol, was sentenced Wednesday to 41 months in prison.

Chansley, who pleaded guilty to a felony charge of obstructing an official proceeding, was among the first rioters to enter the building. He has acknowledged using a bullhorn to rile up the mob, offering thanks in a prayer while in the Senate for having the chance to get rid of traitors and scratching out a threatening note to Vice President Mike Pence saying, “It’s Only A Matter of Time. Justice Is Coming!”

Though he isn’t accused of violence, prosecutors say Chansley, of Arizona, was the “public face of the Capitol riot” who went into the attack with a weapon, ignored repeated police orders to leave the building and gloated about his actions in the days immediately after the attack.

 

[whodeycin85]

I have no thoughts on it. Don't really know what you're talking about.

I expected as much....thanks for the conversation

 

[luthervol]

I expected as much....thanks for the conversation

I added to my post. I was curious enough to took.

 

[volinbham]

I don't know that anyone has ever denied that the vast majority of Jan. 6th protestors where peaceful.

Many who entered the Capital may have also been "peaceful", but the mere fact that they knowingly entered a place where they were not allowed and was breached through force and violence, makes them at least an accessory to violence.

That is like a BLM protestor leaving an area where they are free to protest and forcing their way into an area where they are not allowed.

That is only "peaceful" to a point, especially if access to the area was gained through the violence of others.

Plus, I was saying that the overwhelming majority of protests were 100% peaceful. (not just the protestors)

on the bold - it certainly appears a large proportion did not enter via an area breached through force and violence - the cops took down barricades and opened doors for them. It's still trespassing technically but hard to say that is violent or an accessory to violence

 

[SamRebel35]

I have no thoughts on it.
Though he isn’t accused of violence, prosecutors say Chansley, of Arizona, was the “public face of the Capitol riot” who went into the attack with a weapon, ignored repeated police orders to leave the building and gloated about his actions in the days immediately after the attack.

Ok. Now square the newly released video with the statement about him ignoring repeated police orders.

 

[luthervol]

on the bold - it certainly appears a large proportion did not enter via an area breached through force and violence - the cops took down barricades and opened doors for them. It's still trespassing technically but hard to say that is violent or an accessory to violence

If they were welcomed in through open doors, had no idea what was going on in other places within the Capital, and felt they were welcomed participants in a peaceful protest, then they're good; otherwise, there is some degree of culpability.

I think the number of people who entered the Capital that meet those three criteria would be small.

 

[luthervol]

Ok. Now square the newly released video with the statement about him ignoring repeated police orders.

Haven't seen any newly released video. If it doesn't follow him from the time he entered until the time he was removed, it probably wouldn't prove much.

 

[SamRebel35]

Haven't seen any newly released video. If it doesn't follow him from the time he entered until the time he was removed, it probably wouldn't prove much.

It is pretty much with him the entire time he's in the building.

 

[luthervol]

It is pretty much with him the entire time he's in the building.

Even when he was scratching out the threat to Pence and offering thanks in a prayer while in the Senate for having the chance to get rid of traitors?

 

[Weezer]

I question where the line is crossed to become "trespassing" when referencing a government owned building. If we are, as Lincoln said, a "government of the people, by the people, for the people", should citizens not have access to the Capitol? Should they not have the ability to make their opinions known to the people elected to represent them? Anyone who engaged in violence, or property destruction, obviously steeped over a line, but is merely being there enough to constitute a crime? IMO, no. Anyone who entered and engaged in peaceful protest should not be prosecuted. Those who committed acts of violence or vandalism should be prosecuted. But the whole thing has been blown out of proportion for political reasons.