Is the American Dream Dead?

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Times are tough folks. Everywhere you look houses are being foreclosed, people are outta work and a sense of general hopelessness about the future seems to consume some people. Not since the Great Depression have things been this bad (or so the news says), only this time, there will be no WW2 to help pull us out of it. Young people and old people are competing for the same menial jobs, and minimum wage seems to be the norm for more jobs than it should. The cost of living is many times what lots of us are getting paid, causing a whole generation of kids to not be able to take the steps necessary to be real adults. Is it just me, or does hope for the future seem to be a very depressing joke? How can we get out of this mess if we are led by politicians whose only concerns are getting reelected, bickering endlessly with each other and lining their own pockets? Is there hope for the future, or does the American Dream now mean that you get to work like a slave your whole life only to look up one day and see that your life has passed you by and you still have nothing to show for it?
 
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Times are tough folks. Everywhere you look houses are being foreclosed, people are outta work and a sense of general hopelessness about the future seems to consume some people. Not since the Great Depression have things been this bad (or so the news says), only this time, there will be no WW2 to help pull us out of it. Young people and old people are competing for the same menial jobs, and minimum wage seems to be the norm for more jobs than it should. The cost of living is many times what lots of us are getting paid, causing a whole generation of kids to not be able to take the steps necessary to be real adults. Is it just me, or does hope for the future seem to be a very depressing joke? How can we get out of this mess if we are led by politicians whose only concerns are getting reelected, bickering endlessly with each other and lining their own pockets? Is there hope for the future, or does the American Dream now mean that you get to work like a slave your whole life only to look up one day and see that your life has passed you by and you still have nothing to show for it?

The so-called "Generation X" will probably be the first generation in a very, very long time to have a lower standard of living than their parents.

A counter-revolutionary movement has been in place for at least 30 years. You know a tree by its fruit, and the fruits of this counter-revolution are plain: increased poverty around the world, lower standards of living, a deeply polarized world (and becoming more polarized).

WWII wasn't about getting the engines of economic recovery going, it was about a world project. It was about building a world along a Third Way - away from the totalitarian visions of both the Right and Left.

What is missing right now is that world project. But it is, and has been, staring us in the face for 30 years: global heating and the catastrophe of neoliberalism. To confront this world project - in every way worthy and in every way part of the highest ideals of the human condition - requires a new economy, a new culture, in short a new way of living. It might mean less time on the X-box, but it will build better men and women - healthier, happier, and more effective in their daily lives (vice having a single aptitude).

At the end of the day, you get the politics you deserve. We deserve the politics you describe. Change the culture, and you will change politics.

Unfortunately, the movement will not come from us. It will be upon the rest of the world - perhaps now in Egypt, or perhaps the ongoing revolution in Latin America - to light the way forward.
 
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Outsourcing jobs to China has helped kill it. The government straps to many regulations and taxes to make anything here anymore.

People as a whole have grown soft, want the east way out. Why work for it? When you can beg and get it most of the time. The entitlement generation if there is such a thing.

You want to really know why though in a nutshell? Government Failure on a epic scale.

The people should form about a 5 million man mob and march on Washington, physically throw those educated idiots out in the streets. My :twocents:
 
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the government regulations, the loss American pride and identity (people want to be 'global citizens). the constant tax burdens and cost of living is killing us. this is just to name a few.
 
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The so-called "Generation X" will probably be the first generation in a very, very long time to have a lower standard of living than their parents.

i thought you kept telling us that standard of living was better in the 50s.
 
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i thought you kept telling us that standard of living was better in the 50s.

I'm thinking Generation X are children of the late 80s - 90s.

Or are they Generation Y?

Either way, real wealth stopped going up in the 1970s. I'm not sure what the significance of the 1950s is other than SoL was going up then.
 
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As a member of Generation Y, I can certainly say that it isn't dead.
 
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I'm thinking Generation X are children of the late 80s - 90s.

Or are they Generation Y?

Either way, real wealth stopped going up in the 1970s. I'm not sure what the significance of the 1950s is other than SoL was going up then.

Gen Y.
 
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it isn't dead, it's just been buried under a mountain of bureaucratic redtape, political correctness and an educational system that favors conformity over individual achievement.
 
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Hope springs eternal.

We've gone through much tougher times than these imo.

I wouldn't be so sure there won't be something like WWII again fwiw.

As for the third way, I don't look upon it so favorably, to me it is an oligharchal effort to return the developed world into more of a feudalistic state that also is in control of the undeveloped world.

If you want to look on the bright side of things then consider that when times are tough people turn to God for help but when times are good then many tend to turn away and that isn't a good thing.

New Zeal: Must Read Report from "America's Survival"

(the full report is in pdf.)
 
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The "American Dream" is nothing more than marketing. I don't think American's want any more or less out of life than anyone else.
 
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The "American Dream" is not about getting more out of life, but more of having the opportunity to.

The desire is irrelevant really. Most people have the desire to have/be better. The opportunity is what sets it apart.
 
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The "American Dream" is not about getting more out of life, but more of having the opportunity to.

The desire is irrelevant really. Most people have the desire to have/be better. The opportunity is what sets it apart.

well said - it's not about "standard of living"; it's about the opportunity to change your standard of living if you so wish.
 
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So do you guys believe this is an American only thing or could it be done in other countries?
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The American Dream will be alive and well if the 5% start investing heavily in their businesses, hiring workers, and consuming again instead of hoarding their wealth that has been greatly enhanced by a decade of tax cuts. They are the drivers of the American economy.

Here's an article that explains it way better than I ever could.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/10/05/lind_america_plutonomy
 
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So do you guys believe this is an American only thing or could it be done in other countries?
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As far as wanting better? No, thats not strictly American.

Having the opportunity or a better opportunity? I would say the US offers that better than anyone.
 
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I'd still rather live here than any where else in the world. No one ever said the American Dream was easy. It was never easy. It was built with sweat and blood. People today just expect it to be handed to them.
 

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