Is the world better off with the nation of Israel?

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midnight orange said:
According to Pipes if I remember correctly, a lot of this was due to the fact that Jews were upwardly mobile. There were significant numbers of Jews that were Mensheviks as well as Whites (and even remained that way after the Whites refused condemn the anti Semitic pogroms).
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Of course there were...

That doesn't take away this fact...
 
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In fact Pipes also talks of Bolshevik Jews (atheist) zealously persecuted religious Jews and destroyed temple and religious sacraments.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
From the Encyclopedia Britannica

Isolationism, National policy of avoiding political or economic entanglements with other countries. Isolationism has been a recurrent theme in U.S. history.

Note the use of the word 'or' instead of 'and' So you are isolationist...politically.

But there can be no economic 'entanglement' without political agreements between countries. That's the way of the world. If you think otherwise, well...
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Political doesn't necessarily mean military ties. Switzerland isn't isolationist.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
We're opposite on what to do with belligerant nations who start wars. One of the great errors of WWI was that France and England did not occupy Germany. Wilson's demand for total surrender should have included occupation as well.
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The only thing Wilson got right in his presidency was not sign or push for Congress to sign the Treaty of Versailles. Now here you are in here saying Wilson should have firmly placed himself at the bottom of the list of POTUS by occupying Germany. There was a reason why those countries, specifically Britain, wanted to kill the German economy.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
I'll take your tack...So what?
Why is the Houthi missile aggression one the US should ignore?
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The Saudis started the war, so let them finish it. What business is it of ours? They're not our neighbor and we have no business arming and supporting the world’s largest sponsor of terrorism.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Bolshevik communism was about anything but purging Jews...quite the contrary...
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Jewcy.com | Was Karl Marx Really Jewish?


If there was any Jew whose legacy confuses us, it’s Karl Marx. On the one hand, his thoughts led to the largest political movement in history and changed the world. How’s that for a nice young Jewish boy from Trier? On the other hand, his writings led to dozens of totalitarian dictatorships, state-sponsored murder of tens of millions of people, and economic catastrophe for hundreds of millions. The shonde!

You can give your guilt complex a nap on this one. Marx wasn’t even a lapsed Jew. He was a lapsed Christian. His father converted to Christianity to advance his career. Young Karl disavowed all religions and would later rant against them, especially Judaism. In fact, he is better remembered as one of the world’s most accomplished anti-semites. His famous "On the Jewish Question" called for an end to the emancipation of the Jews because they were enslaved by a harsher taskmaster than the German state: their own religion. He referred to money as the real God of the Old Testament. And, probably not coincidentally, he was frequently in debt to Jewish moneylenders."..
 
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SergeantVol said:
You’re the one trying to pass off Israel shouldn’t exist as a fact. Apparently, you don’t know what irony is either.
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I never said that...that is an absolute lie!

My point is that the Jewish liberal ideology is overrepresented by a people who make up less than 1% of the world's population...
 
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Pacer92 said:
I never said that...that is an absolute lie!

My point is that the Jewish liberal ideology is overrepresented by a people who make up less than 1% of the world's population...
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Well we did kinda suffer a genocide that wiped out a lot of us.
 
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Pacer92 said:
I never said that...that is an absolute lie!
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I can't believe that they really believe that. I think it is some sort of debate tactic or argumentative judo they are using to try and distort your words. No one can be that dense...

Pacer92 said:
My point is that the Jewish liberal ideology is overrepresented by a people who make up less than 1% of the world's population...
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You are tip toeing and hopscotching over a 3rd rail subject that I don't think can be seriously had by adults.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I can't believe that they really believe that. I think it is some sort of debate tactic or argumentative judo they are using to try and distort your words. No one can be that dense...



You are tip toeing and hopscotching over a 3rd rail subject that I don't think can be seriously had by adults.
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Don't do any tip toeing. And don't make any oblique references to what you're wanting to say. Put it out there. In enough detail and with links so no one will be left having to go search for what they think you're saying. Anything less at this point can be taken as rude arrogant elitism, which you and Pacer constantly dance around anyway.
 
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Israel is the apple of God's eye,"I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you." Blessed are those who pray for the peace of Jerusalem
 
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Pacer92 said:
Gaza Massacre - Sputnik International
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So you've posted a journalistic "whip 'em into a froth" piece with a lead paragraph of:

..."The State of Israel is a rogue state - this is a truth that can no longer be denied, except by those who believe illegal occupation, illegal settlements, apartheid, the theft of resources, collective punishment, siege, and regular bouts of mass murder are the legitimate actions of a state that proclaims itself the only democracy in the Middle East."...

Produced by no less than a Russian News Propaganda Organ..
wholly owned by the Russian government!!!

You have totally lost any credibility what so ever. Actually, what little you may have had.

You are nothing but a willing tool. Nothing you say or post should be given any credence.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
So you've posted a journalistic "whip 'em into a froth" piece with a lead paragraph of:

..."The State of Israel is a rogue state - this is a truth that can no longer be denied, except by those who believe illegal occupation, illegal settlements, apartheid, the theft of resources, collective punishment, siege, and regular bouts of mass murder are the legitimate actions of a state that proclaims itself the only democracy in the Middle East."...

Produced by no less than a Russian News Propaganda Organ..
wholly owned by the Russian government!!!

You have totally lost any credibility what so ever. Actually, what little you may have had.

You are nothing but a willing tool. Nothing you say or post should be given any credence.
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If you had bothered reading more than the first paragraph of this opinion piece before getting emotional you would had seen there was a link to a Jewish written opinion from Haaretz saying the same thing....

So, again, anything posted or argued that has an antithetical view...met with emotional slander...
 
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