Is the world better off with the nation of Israel?

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Orangedogsrule said:
So you've posted a journalistic "whip 'em into a froth" piece with a lead paragraph of:

..."The State of Israel is a rogue state - this is a truth that can no longer be denied, except by those who believe illegal occupation, illegal settlements, apartheid, the theft of resources, collective punishment, siege, and regular bouts of mass murder are the legitimate actions of a state that proclaims itself the only democracy in the Middle East."...

Produced by no less than a Russian News Propaganda Organ..
wholly owned by the Russian government!!!

You have totally lost any credibility what so ever. Actually, what little you may have had.

You are nothing but a willing tool. Nothing you say or post should be given any credence.
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What media here isn't really a mouthpiece for the US govt?
 
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Pacer92 said:
If you had bothered reading more than the first paragraph of this opinion piece before getting emotional you would had seen there was a link to a Jewish written opinion from Haaretz saying the same thing....

So, again, anything posted or argued that has an antithetical view...met with emotional slander...
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I did read the entire piece. Haaretz is Post-Zionist. This means to some Jews, mostly secularists and in academia, that Zionism completed it's task with the creation of the modern State of Israel in 1948. Hence any Zionist ideologies are moot.

Many Israelis look on Haaretz with disgust.

So of course Haaretz, as a post-Zionist bell ringer, will find most actions taken by the Israelis that defends land aquired after 1948 when they were attacked as not legitimately Israel.

Here is a current article from YNet, an English online version from Israel's most widely read newpaper Yedioth Ahronoth:

IDF releases footage of Gaza border terrorist

Preparations in Gaza are also well underway for Friday's protests, when clashes around the fence are expected to reach their weekly apex. Despite the fact that sources within the strip said they expected an impressive turnout of protesters, estimates say it will not top last weekend's Land Day protests—when 30,000 people came to protest and 17 were killed, at least 11 of which were deemed terrorists by the army and Shin Bet.


This Friday's protest, dubbed "The Friday of tires," will focus on burning (as many as 10,000) tires along friction points from the north of the strip to its south. Palestinians thus hope to disrupt IDF snipers from being able to target instigators, and are also planning to use mirrors to achieve the same purpose to blind soldiers.

The IDF knows terrorists planned to use Land Day protesters as human shields to penetrate the fence and infiltrate into Israel and perform acts such as shooting and fragging Israelis. There is no good reason to burn tires and blind Israelis with mirrors unless there are plans to commit terrorism.

17 Palestanians died last week and that is tragic. But 11 of them were known terrorists. The other six would be alive today if they had remained far from the protests at the fence. In fact, they all would have if they had carried on their protest well away from the fence and no appearance of an attempt to penetrate by terrorists had occured.
 
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I garantee they will do it again, some innocents will be killed, but maybe a terrorist will get through and kill Israelis. Who knows.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
I did read the entire piece. Haaretz is Post-Zionist. This means to some Jews, mostly secularists and in academia, that Zionism completed it's task with the creation of the modern State of Israel in 1948. Hence any Zionist ideologies are moot.

Many Israelis look on Haaretz with disgust.

So of course Haaretz, as a post-Zionist bell ringer, will find most actions taken by the Israelis that defends land aquired after 1948 when they were attacked as not legitimately Israel.

Here is a current article from YNet, an English online version from Israel's most widely read newpaper Yedioth Ahronoth:

IDF releases footage of Gaza border terrorist

Preparations in Gaza are also well underway for Friday's protests, when clashes around the fence are expected to reach their weekly apex. Despite the fact that sources within the strip said they expected an impressive turnout of protesters, estimates say it will not top last weekend's Land Day protests—when 30,000 people came to protest and 17 were killed, at least 11 of which were deemed terrorists by the army and Shin Bet.


This Friday's protest, dubbed "The Friday of tires," will focus on burning (as many as 10,000) tires along friction points from the north of the strip to its south. Palestinians thus hope to disrupt IDF snipers from being able to target instigators, and are also planning to use mirrors to achieve the same purpose to blind soldiers.

The IDF knows terrorists planned to use Land Day protesters as human shields to penetrate the fence and infiltrate into Israel and perform acts such as shooting and fragging Israelis. There is no good reason to burn tires and blind Israelis with mirrors unless there are plans to commit terrorism.

17 Palestanians died last week and that is tragic. But 11 of them were known terrorists. The other six would be alive today if they had remained far from the protests at the fence. In fact, they all would have if they had carried on their protest well away from the fence and no appearance of an attempt to penetrate by terrorists had occured.
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So, Zionism stopped with the creation of Israel?! C'mon man...

Zionism is Jewish exceptionalism....no different that any other ideology or movement....that still exist to this day...
 
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Pacer92 said:
I'm just curious as to why a God of Christianity would favor anyone over the other....besides the believers in Jesus Christ?!

I'm assuming the quote you quoted was from the bible?!
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The quote is the Shema.

Hear O’ Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One

This verse is followed by one line of text that is traditionally recited in an undertone

בָּרוּךְ שֵׁם כְּבוֹד מַלְכוּתוֹ לְעוֹלָם וָעֶד

Baruch shem kavod malchuto l’olam va-ed

Blessed is the name of His glorious kingdom for ever and ever

(I’m a messianic believer. I practice Judaism in completion with Messiah. Not really Christianity not really Judaism)

Edit: I don’t speak for G-d and Don’t pretend to know why He does what He does. Ask Him. Maybe you’ll get an answer
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The quote is the Shema.

Hear O’ Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One

This verse is followed by one line of text that is traditionally recited in an undertone

בָּרוּךְ שֵׁם כְּבוֹד מַלְכוּתוֹ לְעוֹלָם וָעֶד

Baruch shem kavod malchuto l’olam va-ed

Blessed is the name of His glorious kingdom for ever and ever

(I’m a messianic believer. I practice Judaism in completion with Messiah. Not really Christianity not really Judaism)

Edit: I don’t speak for G-d and Don’t pretend to know why He does what He does. Ask Him. Maybe you’ll get an answer
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I was referring to the the post you quoted...
 
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Pacer92 said:
So, Zionism stopped with the creation of Israel?! C'mon man...

Zionism is Jewish exceptionalism....no different that any other ideology or movement....that still exist to this day...
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Zionism was the idea that a people, displaced around the world through various pogroms, and hated and scapegoated by much of Christendom, could return to their homeland by legally buying it, piece by piece. That is not exceptionalism.

WWI: Germany wanted to expand, conquer borderlands and more, and be seen as equals or better on the world stage to the British. When the Austro-Hungarians invaded Serbia after the assination of their prince, Gemany and the Ottoman Empire among others joined in as the aggressor states. And they were defeated.

the German Empire, Russian Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist. National borders were redrawn, with nine independent nations restored or created,[16] and Germany's colonies were parceled out among the victors.
Britian chose to give part pf their conquered lands to form Israel. Neither is that exceptionalism.

In 1967 three of Israel's neighboring states attacked, were defeated, and conquered land taken under control as buffers against further aggression. Neither is that exceptionalism.

I suggest you read up on:

Zionism
Anti-Zionism
Pre-Holocaust Zionism
Post-Holocaust Zionism
Neo-Zionism
Post-Zionism
Post-Post-Zionism
Globalist-Zionism
etc, etc, ad naseum.

Basically, there is a smear of attitudes on Zionism. From the worldwide slow filling of jars of donated coins to buy land in pre 1940's zionism to the zealous founders of Israel just after the holocaust who are seen as the core Zionists. Their was opposition within Jewry that there is no need for a Jewish state and were/are the Anti-Zionists. Then, after the establishment of Israel, the rise of different trains of thought, especially among those born in Israel who have only experienced life as a constant struggle against the PLO, HAMAS, etc. and where new scholarship has uncovered discrepancies over how some land was aquired by bad actors, and you have post-zionism.
Combine with post-modernism, shake well, and pour into various glasses already 2/3 full with one political thought or another and you have this smear of zionism.

You are ignoring all these facts to blanketly call Zionism 'Jewish Exceptionalism'.

The 'exceptionalists' are simply those that believe Israel has a God given manifest destiny to reform as a nation in the land of Israel. By no means are all Jews or others who are Zionists to be included among the exceptionalists.
 
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‘Willful killing’: UN warns Israel not to shoot at Palestinian protestors — RT World News

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Liz Throssell has condemned the “deplorable” killing of Palestinians during the Great Return March, and harshly warned Israel against further use of violence.

“There are strong indications that security forces used excessive force” due to the high number of casualties and the fact that those killed or wounded by Israeli fire were unarmed, Throssell said. The spokeswoman pointed out that an attempt to approach the fence by the demonstrators “certainly does not amount to a threat to life or serious injury [to the Israeli security forces] that would justify the use of live ammunition” by the IDF troops, who had “protective gear and defensive positions.”

“In the context of a military occupation, as is the case in Gaza, the unjustified and unlawful recourse to firearms by law enforcement resulting in death may amount to a willful killing, a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention,” which states that civilians in a war zone are to be protected, Throssell said.
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