Is the world better off with the nation of Israel?

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n_huffhines said:
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No, because they kicked ass and took it.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Get off your knees. Let them duke it out if that's what they decide to do. Stop making excuses and putting words in others' mouths. You're pulling out every stop to keep us tied to them.
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BS Percy. And I’m fine with letting them duke it out. I’ll lay a money bet they whip everybody’s ass.

1967 called. The Arab survivors are wondering if they can finally have their asses back? Since then what has been the relative strength change of the Israeli IDF as compared to the Arab nations and Iran? They’d kick their asses worse now.

And wtf words am I putting in anybody’s mouth?
 
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Muslims have killed more muslims than Jews have. Abraham was given the deed to Israel millennia ago. :question:
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh no no no. If we’re out we’re out. And you suggest our defense contractors should be disallowed from pursuing legal foreign sales? You have any idea how good a business FMS is for all US defense contractors? Plus that makes domestic equipment and prices better also you know if they can offset NRE and startup costs with FMS? If instead you said to lower foreign monentary aid ok. But you think the UK, French, or German contractors aren’t going to sell to them? Why penalize the economy of your own country? Aren’t you for free trade?

And finally if we pull the gloves off on the nukes, which I really could care less about, what they do with them is their business isn’t it?

How can you say you’re hands off on Israel and then turn around and put conditions of what they can do with their own assets?
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I don't want US tax dollars being used to arm Israel. I said nothing about Israel buying directly from arms manufacturers. Again, not on my dime.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And finally if we pull the gloves off on the nukes, which I really could care less about, what they do with them is their business isn’t it?

How can you say you’re hands off on Israel and then turn around and put conditions of what they can do with their own assets?
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At this point, ANY country, whether it be Israel, US, China, whoever, that uses a nuke for military gain has now put the world and humanity in jeopardy.
 
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Weezer said:
Is it the fact we stay so involved with Israel and the ME that upsets people, or the fact we tend to favor Israel over the rest of the ME? If we sided more with the Arabs, would people feel the same? I'm just curious if the feeling is stay out of ME politics all together, or stop being so one-sided?


And if it's stay out of ME politics all together, why are some of you so upset with Trump tearing up Obama's Iran deal? If you want us out of the region, why should it matter?
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We need to mind our own business. We have our own issues in this hemisphere to worry about without having to worry about something going on halfway around the world.
 
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Weezer said:
And if it's stay out of ME politics all together, why are some of you so upset with Trump tearing up Obama's Iran deal? If you want us out of the region, why should it matter?
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It goes to the saying of commerce with all, alliances with none. We only need to engage in commerce and fair trade, not war and conflict.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
BS Percy. And I’m fine with letting them duke it out. I’ll lay a money bet they whip everybody’s ass.

1967 called. The Arab survivors are wondering if they can finally have their asses back? Since then what has been the relative strength change of the Israeli IDF as compared to the Arab nations and Iran? They’d kick their asses worse now.

And wtf words am I putting in anybody’s mouth?
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In 1967, they decimated Egypt's air force before they could leave the tarmac. No one questions Israel's air force, because they have the best air force in the region. Facts.

But when Israel engaged Hezbollah on the ground in 2006, they got more than they bargained for.

Israel would not be as successful fighting a conventional war today as there were in the past because their neighbors relied on fighting them on their terms in the air. Hezbollah has the most battle hardened ground forces in the region. Facts.

IMO, I don't believe the average Israeli today has the patience for the type of conventional ground war that it would require to expand their empire. I can see them going nuclear and using some trickery as a way of justifying a preemptive nuclear strike.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Muslims have killed more muslims than Jews have. Abraham was given the deed to Israel millennia ago. :question:
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I don’t make the political argument that the Jews own Israel because G-d says so. It is absolutely the reason we/they/Jews want the land but that isn’t the reason that they “should” be there.
This situation is like many others around the world in that the Jews are there now.
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The disputed lands inside Israel continue to be sold by Palestinians to Jews. There are many Palestinians that have decided to give up that fight and join society as productive members of Israel. Imo there will never be 2 states. Eventually there will only be Israel.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In 1967, they decimated Egypt's air force before they could leave the tarmac. No one questions Israel's air force, because they have the best air force in the region. Facts.

But when Israel engaged Hezbollah on the ground in 2006, they got more than they bargained for.

Israel would not be as successful fighting a conventional war today as there were in the past because their neighbors relied on fighting them on their terms in the air. Hezbollah has the most battle hardened ground forces in the region. Facts.

IMO, I don't believe the average Israeli today has the patience for the type of conventional ground war that it would require to expand their empire. I can see them going nuclear and using some trickery as a way of justifying a preemptive nuclear strike.
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You base your opinion on what?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We need to mind our own business. We have our own issues in this hemisphere to worry about without having to worry about something going on halfway around the world.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In 1967, they decimated Egypt's air force before they could leave the tarmac. No one questions Israel's air force, because they have the best air force in the region. Facts.

But when Israel engaged Hezbollah on the ground in 2006, they got more than they bargained for.

Israel would not be as successful fighting a conventional war today as there were in the past because their neighbors relied on fighting them on their terms in the air. Hezbollah has the most battle hardened ground forces in the region. Facts.

IMO, I don't believe the average Israeli today has the patience for the type of conventional ground war that it would require to expand their empire. I can see them going nuclear and using some trickery as a way of justifying a preemptive nuclear strike.
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Israel is your car wreck. You tell everyone else to mind their business and move along, but can't help but rubberneck and throw out opinions.
 
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Before you feel insulted, that wasn't the intent of my post, Ras. It's human nature to contradict ourselves. We say we shouldn't do many things, be involved in many situations, but somehow, we always find ourselves smack dab where we said we shouldn't go doing the very thing we said we shouldn't do.
 
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MG1968 said:
To answer the question of the OP in the broadest of general terms, no, the world isn't better off because the more functioning democracies (again, being VERY general here) there are in the world, the better off it is.
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..."the State of Israel defines itself as a parliamentary democracy...sic...a democratic system of government in which all the citizens choose their representatives for parliament according to their political affiliation, and then the political parties choose their leaders."...

hmmmm..?

So the Hildabeast woulda been SOL there too? 😁
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
..."the State of Israel defines itself as a parliamentary democracy...sic...a democratic system of government in which all the citizens choose their representatives for parliament according to their political affiliation, and then the political parties choose their leaders."...

hmmmm..?

So the Hildabeast woulda been SOL there too? 😁
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How do you figure? Hillary bought and paid for the Democratic Party and they ended up nominating her. If anything, this is right up her alley.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't want US tax dollars being used to arm Israel. I said nothing about Israel buying directly from arms manufacturers. Again, not on my dime.
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I'm real good with US tax dollars, military equipment, or anything else being used to arm and support Israel or anyone else anywhere fighting against the slow crawl of Islamic dominion. Whether it's the Middle East or European NO-GO zones. In regard to this thread, I don't want the scumbag nations surrounding Israel to ever think they they can ever again attempt to destroy or "push Israel into the sea".

HAMAS, the elected fundamental Islamic leadership of Gaza, says in their charter there can be no compromise. Because, as the Hadith attributes these words to Mohammed:

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Hamas leaders, including Ismail Haniyah and Khaled Meshaal, have also stated repeatedly that "Palestine – from the Jordan River to the Sea, from its north to its south – is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it," and that "we shall not relinquish the Islamic "waqf" on the land of Palestine, and Jerusalem shall not be divided into Western and Eastern Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a single united city, and Palestine stretches from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, and from Naqoura [Rosh Ha-Niqra] to Umm Al-Rashrash [Eilat] in the south."
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The Israelis should react to every HAMAS terrorist attempt to breach the Gaza border fence by building a new one a quarter mile inside the old one. That way, unless the Arab refugees inside Gaza (I don't like even calling them Palestinians) stop attacking Israel, it will be them that gets pushed into the sea.

Moreover, any lands anywhere ever conquered by Islam are considered "waqf".

Dreaming of Al-Andalus :: Daniel Pipes

..."The Islamic religion contains within it a deep assumption that a land conquered and settled by Muslims becomes part of an inalienable Islamic patrimony, a waqf; should it then fall under non-Muslim rule, that is an unnatural and intolerable circumstance that eventually must be reversed."...
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Islamism Grows Stronger at the United Nations | Middle East Forum

The United Nations took little interest when Ayatollah Khomeini issued an edict in February 1989 that condemned British writer Salman Rushdie to death for his novel, The Satanic Verses, which is "in opposition to Islam, the Prophet, and the Qur'an" as the edict affirms; if anything, most member states tried to ignore the whole episode. It took four full years before the greatest freedom-of-expression case of our time found an even implicit mention in a UNCHR [United Nations Committee on Human Rights] resolution (the one that annually criticizes Iran for human rights violations) :

[The UNCHR] also expresses its grave concern that there are continuing threats to the life of a citizen of another State which appears to have the support of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and whose case is mentioned in the report of the Special Representative.1
By 1999, the UNCHR chose to accept at face value "the assurances given by the Government of Iran in New York in September 1998,"2 when Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi said his government would no longer seek to end Rushdie's life. In the process, the commission preferred to ignore Kharazi's acknowledgment that he was saying nothing new ("We did not adopt a new position with regard to the apostate Salman Rushdie, and our position remains the same");3 it also disregarded statements by leading regime officials threatening Rushdie's life. For example, it made no difference that ‘Ayatollah Hasan Sana'i, head of a leading foundation, stated on February 14, 1999, that "Iran is serious and determined in the execution of God's order. The idea of Rushdie's annihilation is a living idea looking for an appropriate opportunity."4

This attitude of indifference emboldened member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) sympathetic to the enhancement of the Shari‘a, and they proceeded to try to introduce Khomeini-style restrictions on freedom of speech about certain political aspects of Islam to the United Nations itself. Thus did the "Rushdie rules" begin affecting U.N. bodies, and especially the Commission on Human Rights, eating away at international norms.
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One wonders. Would a better title for this thread have been, "Would the world be better off without a so-called nation of Palestine, and Iran"?

Fundamental Islam is greatly influencing even the United Nations because fundamental Islam is at heart political and defined by Sharia Law.

There can be no peace with Islamic fundamentalists, ever.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
I'm real good with US tax dollars, military equipment, or anything else being used to arm and support Israel or anyone else anywhere fighting against the slow crawl of Islamic dominion. Whether it's the Middle East or European NO-GO zones.
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I assume just 40 years ago, you felt the same with regards to fighting communism...
 
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She's a ****ing disgrace. Not one person voted for her resolution and then she makes a subtle threat ("we're taking names", not in video).

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiBRAGDGI3c[/youtube]
 
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