Is the world better off with the nation of Israel?

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happy-go_vol said:
I think it is quite obvious that there is a God. The Bible has stated many times that Israel and the Jews would be a stone in the shoe of the world.

It is quite accurate to say that Israel is a stone in the World's Shoe. A country that is as small as it is, that has very few citizens compared to most countries get, it is so hated by so many countries.

The world has attempted to wipe out Israel Over and Over yet they have survived and they continue to grow and prosper. They are Prime proof that God is real. There is no other explanation why Jews and Israel is so despised throughout the world
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Obvious troll...

You're correct in saying Israel is a stone in the shoe of the world...

Incorrect in saying the world has tried to wipe out Israel over and over...

Not all Jews think like Zionist, Globalist Jews...many Jews oppose the global cartel of the Rothstein's, Netanyahu, George Soros and the endless payroll of corrupt American and European politicians, lobbyist, actors, artist and criminals that promote "democracy" through the western bought and paid for conduits of politics, media, banking, education, law and religion....promoting open societies, open borders, anti-Christian, anti-white, anti-family...

But carry on...
 
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Pacer92 said:
Obvious troll...

You're correct in saying Israel is a stone in the shoe of the world...

Incorrect in saying the world has tried to wipe out Israel over and over...

Not all Jews think like Zionist, Globalist Jews...many Jews oppose the global cartel of the Rothstein's, Netanyahu, George Soros and the endless payroll of corrupt American and European politicians, lobbyist, actors, artist and criminals that promote "democracy" through the western bought and paid for conduits of politics, media, banking, education, law and religion....promoting open societies, open borders, anti-Christian, anti-white, anti-family...

But carry on...
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The troll is you. And your statement,
"Incorrect in saying the world has tried to wipe out Israel over and over...
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is so devoid of fact there are several descriptors I can think of for those who would say that.

1. Wantonly ignorant.
1a. Dumb as a stump
2. Unable to understand history.
3 Possible anti-Semetic Illuminati conspiracy theorist.
4. Tin foil hat wearer.
5. One who's every utterance should only be looked at for the humor it brings because, well...see 1 and 1a.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Obvious troll...

You're correct in saying Israel is a stone in the shoe of the world...

Incorrect in saying the world has tried to wipe out Israel over and over...

Not all Jews think like Zionist, Globalist Jews...many Jews oppose the global cartel of the Rothstein's, Netanyahu, George Soros and the endless payroll of corrupt American and European politicians, lobbyist, actors, artist and criminals that promote "democracy" through the western bought and paid for conduits of politics, media, banking, education, law and religion....promoting open societies, open borders, anti-Christian, anti-white, anti-family...

But carry on...
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ok, even throwing out the bible and histories from that time, although I doubt there is much of a question on if that stuff actually happened.

even ignoring the Holocaust

you still have all the conflicts of the late 60s into the 70s. 6 day war, Yom Kippur, The War of Attrition.
 
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From Hamas' charter

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement:

Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes....sic...

...There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.
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There can never be peace with HAMAS, or any fundamentalist Islamic organization who insists on these tenants from the Quran.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Obvious troll...

You're correct in saying Israel is a stone in the shoe of the world...

Incorrect in saying the world has tried to wipe out Israel over and over...

Not all Jews think like Zionist, Globalist Jews...many Jews oppose the global cartel of the Rothstein's, Netanyahu, George Soros and the endless payroll of corrupt American and European politicians, lobbyist, actors, artist and criminals that promote "democracy" through the western bought and paid for conduits of politics, media, banking, education, law and religion....promoting open societies, open borders, anti-Christian, anti-white, anti-family...

But carry on...
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The USA is Saudi Arabia and Israel's attack dog. They want to make us sacrifice our own blood and treasure to fight the battles they don't want to (or can't) fight.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
If the Native Americans chose to forcibly throw us off our lands it would be hard to fault their right in doing so.

So if they show up at the doorstep of your shiny new AZ house demanding it are you gonna hand over the keys and the title? :hi:
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You're completely missing the point. We are hypocrites who have no business meddling in Israeli/Palestinian affairs. We're supposedly in this because it's a righteous cause, but if that is true, then we are the villains in another story, and maybe some big super power needs to meddle with us. Seems undesirable, right?
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're completely missing the point. We are hypocrites who have no business meddling in Israeli/Palestinian affairs. We're supposedly in this because it's a righteous cause, but if that is true, then we are the villains in another story, and maybe some big super power needs to meddle with us. Seems undesirable, right?
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If we take our hands off there will be no more Palestinians as a organized people. I’m personally ok with that but I’m not sure you’d would be.
 
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To answer the question of the OP in the broadest of general terms, no, the world isn't better off because the more functioning democracies (again, being VERY general here) there are in the world, the better off it is.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
If we take our hands off there will be no more Palestinians as a organized people. I’m personally ok with that but I’m not sure you’d would be.
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If the west pulls out of ME and let’s Israel off the leash say goodbye to Syria and Iran. And I’ll bet Jordan suddenly bursts out in a resounding chorus of Kumbayas.

Huff I’m totally fine with us pulling back. Are you totally fine with Israel wiping out the ME?
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're completely missing the point. We are hypocrites who have no business meddling in Israeli/Palestinian affairs. We're supposedly in this because it's a righteous cause, but if that is true, then we are the villains in another story, and maybe some big super power needs to meddle with us. Seems undesirable, right?
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Keep in mind also that these same people also would seem to have an issue if the Zulu kicked whites off their farms in South Africa.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
If the west pulls out of ME and let’s Israel off the leash say goodbye to Syria and Iran. And I’ll bet Jordan suddenly bursts out in a resounding chorus of Kumbayas.

Huff I’m totally fine with us pulling back. Are you totally fine with Israel wiping out the ME?
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I would be all for letting Israel loose, provided we stop arming them and they don't do any preemptive nuclear strikes.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I would be all for letting Israel loose, provided we stop arming them and they don't do any preemptive nuclear strikes.
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Oh no no no. If we’re out we’re out. And you suggest our defense contractors should be disallowed from pursuing legal foreign sales? You have any idea how good a business FMS is for all US defense contractors? Plus that makes domestic equipment and prices better also you know if they can offset NRE and startup costs with FMS? If instead you said to lower foreign monentary aid ok. But you think the UK, French, or German contractors aren’t going to sell to them? Why penalize the economy of your own country? Aren’t you for free trade?

And finally if we pull the gloves off on the nukes, which I really could care less about, what they do with them is their business isn’t it?

How can you say you’re hands off on Israel and then turn around and put conditions of what they can do with their own assets?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
If the west pulls out of ME and let’s Israel off the leash say goodbye to Syria and Iran. And I’ll bet Jordan suddenly bursts out in a resounding chorus of Kumbayas.

Huff I’m totally fine with us pulling back. Are you totally fine with Israel wiping out the ME?
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Right.. the only thing stopping Israel from genocide is the United States staying involved.

You guys have to stop getting your talking points from daytime radio. Let's get the hell out of there.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Right.. the only thing stopping Israel from genocide is the United States staying involved.

You guys have to stop getting your talking points from daytime radio. Let's get the hell out of there.
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Israel won’t commit genocide. “Wiping out” was used by me to mean opposition. But Israel will not suffer any **** from the Arabs or the Persians. Not one single bit. But hey sure let’s pull out. All western countries. And when Israel whips every bodies asses I am guessing you guys will not utter a peep right?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Israel won’t commit genocide. “Wiping out” was used by me to mean opposition. But Israel will not suffer any **** from the Arabs or the Persians. Not one single bit. But hey sure let’s pull out. All western countries. And when Israel whips every bodies asses I am guessing you guys will not utter a peep right?
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Get off your knees. Let them duke it out if that's what they decide to do. Stop making excuses and putting words in others' mouths. You're pulling out every stop to keep us tied to them.
 
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Is it the fact we stay so involved with Israel and the ME that upsets people, or the fact we tend to favor Israel over the rest of the ME? If we sided more with the Arabs, would people feel the same? I'm just curious if the feeling is stay out of ME politics all together, or stop being so one-sided?


And if it's stay out of ME politics all together, why are some of you so upset with Trump tearing up Obama's Iran deal? If you want us out of the region, why should it matter?
 
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