Is Tom Brady Still Mr. Clutch?

[milohimself]

Who was facing more pressure on that throw, Brady or Welker. Hell, Deion Branch dropped on that might well have been a TD as he had miles ahead of him to run. Both guys are NFL receivers, and if you can get both hands on it in the NFL, in any semblence of space, there is no excuse not to catch the ball.

This is how I view it. That argument has some weight in college, but not in the nfl. If the ball is where they can get two hands on it and they dont bring it down, it's on them. Most nfl corners are good enough they can put themselves in the way of any pass on the numbers, qb's have to place the ball in difficult spots.

 

[milohimself]

Since Brady was facing absolutely no pressure, and Welker didn't know if he needed to brace for impact while trying to catch a bad throw, I'd say Welker faced more pressure.

I was surprisingly unimpressed with the pats receivers last night.

 

[LittleCat]

He's still clutch.

 

[n_huffhines]

And I don't disagree, you catch everything you get 2 hands on, but I'd say the throw was easier than the catch. Both deserve blame.

 

[emainvol]

Since Brady was facing absolutely no pressure, and Welker didn't know if he needed to brace for impact while trying to catch a bad throw, I'd say Welker faced more pressure. He totally had a clean pocket to step into the throw.

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I think it was the Branch throw that he had to rifle out of there quickly, the second point remains. Not every throw can be perfect, and an NFL wide receiver should be able to catch that. Beyond that, it's effectively a timing play and Welker slowed down and turned a step early. There was absolutely nothing wrong with that throw in that situation, it was just a poor play by the receiver

 

[n_huffhines]

I was surprisingly unimpressed with the pats receivers last night.

Yeah, either they weren't getting open, or Brady was unable to find them cause he had all freaking day. O line really showed up.

 

[emainvol]

Yeah, either they weren't getting open, or Brady was unable to find them cause he had all freaking day. O line really showed up.

There was a point in the game where he completed like 16 straight, i would say the receiver's were having issues, because it was pretty clear to me that he was in very good form.

 

[n_huffhines]

I think it was the Branch throw that he had to rifle out of there quickly, the second point remains. Not every throw can be perfect, and an NFL wide receiver should be able to catch that. Beyond that, it's effectively a timing play and Welker slowed down and turned a step early. There was absolutely nothing wrong with that throw.

How do you know he turned to early? Did somebody say that? Even if he did turn early, if he waits a step longer he doesn't get his hands on the ball. The fact that he turned when he did is the only reason he was able to adjust to a throw over the wrong shoulder. If he turns a step later, the ball hits turf before he can locate it.

 

[n_huffhines]

There was a point in the game where he completed like 16 straight, i would say the receiver's were having issues, because it was pretty clear to me that he was in very good form.

Except for the safety, the pick, the near-pick to Phillips, and the bad throw to Welker.

 

[emainvol]

How do you know he turned to early? Did somebody say that? Even if he did turn early, if he waits a step longer he doesn't get his hands on the ball. The fact that he turned when he did is the only reason he was able to adjust to a throw over the wrong shoulder. If he turns a step later, the ball hits turf before he can locate it.

He was looking at the ball well before he turned his body, if he gives himself another step before he turns his whole body, the damn thing hits him in stride.

 

[emainvol]

Except for the safety, the pick, the near-pick to Phillips, and the bad throw to Welker.

Yeah, becuase no quarterback has ever thrown a pick in an otherwise good game. As for Welker, you are just wrong.

 

[emainvol]

I don't even like Tom Brady, but his receivers played like garbage in the clutch

 

[Thrasher865]

Guys, after going back and reviewing some game film, I am ready to issue a verdict.

The drop was on Welker. Throw wasn't perfect, but it was catchable even by a mediocre NFL receiver.

 

[vols_fan_68]

Mr. Clutch needs a new pressure plate & throwout bearing imo

 

[emainvol]

Guys, after going back and reviewing some game film, I am ready to issue a verdict.

The drop was on Welker. Throw wasn't perfect, but it was catchable even by a mediocre NFL receiver.

David Tyree made an infinitely harder catch on a jump ball and he probably caught all of four passes that entire season. Welker was one of the better receivers in the league this year. You are correct sir.

 

[n_huffhines]

I don't even like Tom Brady, but his receivers played like garbage in the clutch

You've got the bad drop by Hernandez which didn't really factor, and you've got the drop by Welker that you'd hope they'd catch. What else did they do for you to claim they played like garbage?

You've got Brady heaving up a horrible INT on first down in the 4th quarter, and another near pick, and you are calling out his WR's for dropping 2 passes. I think he deserves a little more blame than them. 6/14 for 64 yards, and a pick in the 4th quarter ain't so hot (I'm not counting the hail mary).

 

[milohimself]

I don't even like Tom Brady, but his receivers played like garbage in the clutch

They did. That drop by hernandez was awful.

 

[emainvol]

You've got the bad drop by Hernandez which didn't really factor, and you've got the drop by Welker that you'd hope they'd catch. What else did they do for you to claim they played like garbage?

You've got Brady heaving up a horrible INT on first down in the 4th quarter, and another near pick, and you are calling out his WR's for dropping 2 passes. I think he deserves a little more blame than them. 6/14 for 64 yards, and a pick in the 4th quarter ain't so hot (I'm not counting the hail mary).

Branch dropped the **** out of one on the first play of the last drive. He had all day to run had he caught it

 

[emainvol]

Hell, even the pick he threw was a play he has made to Gronkowski this year. Was it a great decision to heave it? Hell no, but it's not like Gronkowski hasn't shown a knack for being able to get up there and grab a ball like that.

 

[GAVol]

6/14 for 64 yards, and a pick in the 4th quarter ain't so hot (I'm not counting the hail mary).

As has been stated, the drops were really bad. Also heard earlier today that he got hurt in the 3rd qtr.

I still say that overall it just magnifies the supporting cast Brady has around him. If he doesn't play perfectly, they don't win.

 

[n_huffhines]

Branch dropped the **** out of one on the first play of the last drive. He had all day to run had he caught it

You realize he dropped it because it was tipped by both of Brandon Phillips' hands, right? Brady is lucky he didn't throw a pick. That incompletion is 100% on Brady.

 

[n_huffhines]

As has been stated, the drops were really bad. Also heard earlier today that he got hurt in the 3rd qtr.

It seemed pretty clear he hurt his left shoulder again.

 

[GAVol]

Since Brady was facing absolutely no pressure, and Welker didn't know if he needed to brace for impact while trying to catch a bad throw, I'd say Welker faced more pressure. He totally had a clean pocket to step into the throw.

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it wasn't a perfect throw, but it wasn't far off either.

An NFL receiver has to make that catch.

 

[badkarma]

I voted "NO". He really didnt play that great in the last two games (Divisional Championship or the Super Bowl.) The only drive he looked good in during the SB was the drive before half...he was 27/41 for 276 yds, 2 tds and 1 int.
At clutch times he threw passes behind receivers (now look I was a TE and my coach told me "if you touch it, you catch it"), had the intentional grounding that led to the safety and threw an interception on first down at a pivotal time during the game, threw a sure pass reception into a jumping DL's extended hand (get some air under it)...Brady cant be happy with his performance...

 

[tri_vol]

I voted "NO". He really didnt play that great in the last two games (Divisional Championship or the Super Bowl.) The only drive he looked good in during the SB was the drive before half...he was 27/41 for 276 yds, 2 tds and 1 int.
At clutch times he threw passes behind receivers (now look I was a TE and my coach told me "if you touch it, you catch it"), had the intentional grounding that led to the safety and threw an interception on first down at a pivotal time during the game, threw a sure pass reception into a jumping DL's extended hand (get some air under it)...Brady cant be happy with his performance...

After the AFCCG he said his performance sucked.