Is Tom Brady Still Mr. Clutch?

Is Tom Brady Still Mr. "Clutch"?

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#51
#51
GAVol said:
Brady wasn't trying to drive it in, he was dropping it in over a zone.

An NFL receiver has to make that catch.
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I agree. I also happen to think an NFL QB should has to make a better throw. He was wide open. Wide. As in nobody between Welker and the ball. There was no reason to have it so high. Welker was expecting the ball early, because he was so open. It seems clear Welker was anticipating a chance to "sit down" in the open part of the zone, and Brady led him deeper.
 
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#52
#52
nbakerld said:
I agree. I also happen to think an NFL QB should has to make a better throw. He was wide open. Wide. As in nobody between Welker and the ball. There was no reason to have it so high. Welker was expecting the ball early, because he was so open. It seems clear Welker was anticipating a chance to "sit down" in the open part of the zone, and Brady led him deeper.
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I'm trying to figure out why you're so he'll bent on it being Brady's fault.
 
#56
#56
GAVol said:
I'm trying to figure out why you're so he'll bent on it being Brady's fault.
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It's both of their fault. A poor throw hit him in the hands. I didn't even think much of the play. After it happened I said to myself, "they were both off a bit" and then I wake up the next morning to everybody blasting Welker. I just don't get it.

The thing that drives me nuts is people are trying to exonerate Brady's performance by placing the whole of the blame of one play on Welker, while ignoring all the other mistakes Brady made.
 
#57
#57
Er, I'm no Brady fan, but Wes should have realized (due to the way the d was positioned) that's where the ball was going.
 
#60
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nbakerld said:
It's both of their fault. A poor throw hit him in the hands. I didn't even think much of the play. After it happened I said to myself, "they were both off a bit" and then I wake up the next morning to everybody blasting Welker. I just don't get it.

The thing that drives me nuts is people are trying to exonerate Brady's performance by placing the whole of the blame of one play on Welker, while ignoring all the other mistakes Brady made.
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Brady was the only reason they were even remotely in a position to win that game. Also, the throw to Deion Branch that was tipped was still dropped, unless we are talking about different plays. It hit him in the damn hands. That was even more inexcusable than the Welker drop.
 
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#61
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emainvol said:
Brady was the only reason they were even remotely in a position to win that game. Also, the throw to Deion Branch that was tipped was still dropped. It hit him in the damn hands. That was even more inexcusable than the Welker drop.
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You're just crazy. Brady almost throws a pick to lose the game and you still wanna blame the WR. It's harder to catch a ball that's behind you, especially when .004 seconds ago you thought the ball was going to be in front of you.

Also, I'd say the D is a huge reason as to why the Pats were in the game. It wasn't all Brady.
 
#62
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nbakerld said:
You're just crazy. Brady almost throws a pick to lose the game and you still wanna blame the WR. It's harder to catch a ball that's behind you, especially when .004 seconds ago you thought the ball was going to be in front of you.
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Welker even said he should have caught the one ball, the announcer says he catches it nearly 100 out of 100 times, everyone that I was watching the game with couldn't believe he dropped it.

If you are in the NFL and the ball hits you in the hands, you catch it. Anything else is inexcusable.
 
#63
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nbakerld said:
You're just crazy. Brady almost throws a pick to lose the game and you still wanna blame the WR. It's harder to catch a ball that's behind you, especially when .004 seconds ago you thought the ball was going to be in front of you.

Also, I'd say the D is a huge reason as to why the Pats were in the game. It wasn't all Brady.
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The D made some plays, but your inability to give the guy credit is what is crazy here, especially considering your arguments about Tebow earlier in the year.
 
#64
#64
Basically, if baker likes the guy, he deserves all of the credit and none of the fault. If he doesn't, he deserves none of the credit and is completely at fault.
 
#65
#65
emainvol said:
The D made some plays, but your inability to give the guy credit is what is crazy here, especially considering your arguments about Tebow earlier in the year.
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What should I give him credit for? I don't understand. I've already said he's very good. He's an elite QB. Just because I don't blame his WR's for the loss doesn't mean I don't credit him with carrying his team this year.
 
#66
#66
emainvol said:
Basically, if baker likes the guy, he deserves all of the credit and none of the fault. If he doesn't, he deserves none of the credit and is completely at fault.
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There is one guy I don't like in all of the NFL, and I have to say Phillip Rivers is pretty decent.
 
#67
#67
If Brady endorses Ron Paul, the next thread will be "Tom Brady: Mere Hall of Famer or worthy of Mt Rushmore?"
 
#68
#68
nbakerld said:
What should I give him credit for? I don't understand. I've already said he's very good. He's an elite QB. Just because I don't blame his WR's for the loss doesn't mean I don't credit him with carrying his team this year.
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Trying to pin the drops solely on Brady is ridiculous, the receivers should have caught those passes. Maybe th hrows should have been a little better, but they were all very catchable.
 
#69
#69
emainvol said:
Trying to pin the drops solely on Brady is ridiculous, the receivers should have caught those passes. Maybe th hrows should have been a little better, but they were all very catchable.
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But I didn't. You have reading comprehension issues. If you go back you'll see 3 or 4 instances where I said clearly that the Welker drop is on both of them. The drop on Hernandez was a bad drop. The Branch "drop" was not a drop at all. At least it doesn't go down in the stat book as such. It goes down as a PD.
 
#70
#70
nbakerld said:
And I don't disagree, you catch everything you get 2 hands on, but I'd say the throw was easier than the catch. Both deserve blame.
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nbakerld said:
This is funny. Of course you blame Welker for not catching a ball thrown high and over the wrong shoulder. Tom Brady cannot be questioned.

Both of them deserve blame, but he was wide open, and the throw was the easy part of the equation.
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Like I said from the start. It's on both of them.
 
#71
#71
If both of them have a share of the blame, then I would peg the Golden Boy's share at about 10-15% and Welker gets the other 85-90%.
 
#73
#73
Tom Brady is a perfect example that there is really no such thing as clutch.
 
#74
#74
zjcvols said:
Tom Brady is a perfect example that there is really no such thing as clutch.
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Some guys are very good under pressure and in situations where a big hit, nice pass, three pointer, etc are needed. It may not be clutch in the almost supernatural sense that people seem to speak of it, but there is definitely something there. It's basically just being mentally tougher than the other guy, or other 5 guys, or other 11 guys.
 
#75
#75
He has the definition of clutch because of his strengths. Footwork, precision, and brain. His arm strength is awful. He excels at getting the ball in the hands of his receiver for YAC like Montana. Coincidentally someone who had the exact same reputation. There is a direct correlation between that and the coverage shells defenses go into during red ball. That said, I'm not surprised someone would make this thread. Brady gets too much credit for wins and too much credit for losses. He played an excellent game with Gronk below 50%. The safety was dumb, and the only real throw he tried to make down the field would have been bailed out by a healthy Gronk. Both of these bowls could have went either way, and the Pats easily could have won both but because of fate, didn't go their way. To answer the question, yes.
 
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