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#151
#151
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
thats catholocism, thats man intervening and making their own rules in the bible, where in the new testement does it call for a "pope?"

i do agree with the popes ruleing the world, i mean the catholic church is the most corrupt organization in the history of mankind.
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but surely the muslims can make the same set of rationalizations.
 
#153
#153
...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you... And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. K 2:190-191
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#154
#154
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
im sure some can, but the New Testament doesnt call for the beheading of infadels etc etc
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I'm not saying it does nor am I calling them equivalents. Clearly Islam has a different approach to nonbelievers. I do, however, understand where the cries of Christian hypocrisy come from.
 
#155
#155
BigPapaVol said:
Except for that pesky little part about the Canaanites.
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Yes, but Christianity has progressively moved away from the violence depicted in the Old Testament. That came with the New Covenant with Jesus.

Radical Islam, however, has not evolved.

When Christians of today start strapping on bombs and blowing up innocent Muslims, then I will be has cold to that religion as I am Islam.

Islam is still living in the Dark Ages.
 
#157
#157
and i see that point, islam is a radical monster basically, and the radicals are the ones that are in charge, just look at Iran. Theres no telling what they will do when they get their hands on a nuke or something like that.
 
#158
#158
BigPapaVol said:
but that quote is telling them to fight for land from which they were ousted? That's not particularly different from "dust all the Canaanites because will contaminate your bloodlines."
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which actually is more Judaism then Christianity
 
#159
#159
CountVolcula said:
Yes, but Christianity has progressively moved away from the violence depicted in the Old Testament. That came with the New Covenant with Jesus.

Radical Islam, however, has not evolved.

When Christians of today start strapping on bombs and blowing up innocent Muslims, then I will be has cold to that religion as I am Islam.

Islam is still living in the Dark Ages.
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but the new covenant was well before the crusades.
 
#160
#160
BigPapaVol said:
I'm not saying it does nor am I calling them equivalents. Clearly Islam has a different approach to nonbelievers. I do, however, understand where the cries of Christian hypocrisy come from.
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and certainly if the catholic church existed today as i did 800 years ago they'd have a very good point. it's the teaching of the text that is the problem, though i'd argue the text itself is far more violent than the new testament.
 
#162
#162
The reason and cause of the crusades was a war between Christians and Moslems which centered around the city of Jerusalem and the Holy places of Palestine. The City of Jerusalem held a Holy significance to the Christian religion. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem commemorated the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial. Pilgrims throughout the Middle Ages made sacred pilgrimages to the Holy city of Jerusalem and the church. Although the city of Jerusalem was held by the Saracens the Christian pilgrims had been granted safe passage to visit the Holy city. In 1065 Jerusalem was taken by the Turks, who came from the kingdom of ancient Persia. 3000 Christians were massacred and the remaining Christians were treated so badly that throughout Christendom people were stirred to fight in crusades. These actions aroused a storm of indignation throughout Europe and awakened the desire to rescue the Holy Land from the grasp of the "infidel."
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the cause of the crusades, so who is to blame there?
 
#166
#166
Islam is in the midst of a battle for the hearts and minds of it's followers. You have the extremists who want to take the book literally and in many cases out of context and you have those who approach the religion with more of a modern perspective. I don't think the religion itself is at a tipping point where radical beliefs are threatening to take control but the recent events in the history of Islam seem to indicate that radical beliefs are on the rise and in the cases of some nations are under complete control of the radicals.
 
#167
#167
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
the cause of the crusades, so who is to blame there?
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that's a pretty simplistic view of the crusades. Think there was any overkill? Seems two eyes for an eye was the new rule, but Jesus said exactly the opposite. Turning the other cheek would have been something radically different.
 
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