Israel to Expand Settlements in West Bank

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Here are some questions: when was the last time the Iranian military started a war/invaded another country? when was the last time the North Korean military started a war/invaded another country?

When was the last time the U.S. military started a war/invaded another country?
 
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therealUT said:
Here are some questions: when was the last time the Iranian military started a war/invaded another country? when was the last time the North Korean military started a war/invaded another country?

When was the last time the U.S. military started a war/invaded another country?
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im pretty sure the last time Iran invaded another country was in 1798. United States invaded Iraq to eliminate a threat to Israel nothing more. thousands of our troops killed and messed up for life for the interests of Israel. btw tommorrow is the anniversary of the USS Liberty incident where our ally Israel deliberately attacked us and killed 34 sailors.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
Israel doesn't admit to having them either.
(Or at least didn't, I haven't checked in a while )
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That makes it okay?

golfballs said:
Nope. They're our enemies.
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What moral authority does the US have to say who can and can't have nuclear weapons? We are the only nation to ever use them in the history of warfare. If anyone shouldn't have them, it is us.
 
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Burhead said:
That makes it okay?



What moral authority does the US have to say who can and can't have nuclear weapons? We are the only nation to ever use them in the history of warfare. If anyone shouldn't have them, it is us.
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Ding ding. American Exceptionalism at its finest.
 
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Burhead said:
That makes it okay?



What moral authority does the US have to say who can and can't have nuclear weapons? We are the only nation to ever use them in the history of warfare.
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We have also invaded and/or conducted military strikes against Granada, Panama, Iraq (twice), Somalia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, and Yemen in the past thirty years. North Korea and Iran have a combined record of zero invasions in that same time period.
 
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Burhead said:
What moral authority does the US have to say who can and can't have nuclear weapons? We are the only nation to ever use them in the history of warfare. If anyone shouldn't have them, it is us.
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What's that got to do with anything?
 
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More from Israel, this from Daniel Statman, Professor at Haifa:

Those people targeted committed terrible crimes. Evildoers deserve to suffer in response and in a way suited to their crimes. Palestinian terrorists with blood on their hands deserve death, the ultimate punishment for their crimes. Hence, the targeted killing of these terrorists is justified.

Even if the policy of targeting killing does not reduce Israeli casualties, even if it increases them, such a policy is justified because it is only through this approach that the terrorists get what they inflict on others -- a violent death.
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It is revenge, plain and simple, even if carrying out such acts of vengeance leads to terrible consequences. In light of all the bloodshed that Israeli is responsible for (killing the British through terrorist tactics; killing scores of Palestinians through indiscriminate bombing practices; etc.), why does it seem so terrible when the terrorists basically make the same argument against the Israelites? Yet, we view the terrorists as reckless and extreme, and we shudder at their rhetoric; but, is not Statman's view just as reckless and extreme?
 
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If I was in the North Korean leadership I'd want my own nuclear deterrent as well. When you have American military forces on your border and in Japan I'd feel very worried to. I don't agree with the NPT in giving only five countries in the world the legal right to operate nuclear weaponry.
 
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therealUT said:
Is that legal authority or moral authority? Or, do you simply believe the might makes right?
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Right or wrong

If we think they are a threat to us by obtaining nukes, then we can try and stop them if it's within our power to do so
 
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golfballs said:
Right or wrong

If we think they are a threat to us by obtaining nukes, then we can try and stop them if it's within our power to do so
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The Conspiracy Paradox.

Here it is in its short form (if you want the long form, I can easily provide it):

We face the paradoxical conclusion that if a conspiracy to inflict harm is wrong, then doctrines of prevention are also wrong. On the other hand, if adopting a doctrine of prevention is not wrong, then presumably neither is engaging in a conspiracy to inflict harm, which implies that there can be no justification for preventive war itself (since war is only justified if it is an appropriate response to some salient wrong).

Preemption: Military Action and Moral Justification p. 13
Shue and Rodin
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Again, if you want the long form (the formal proof), I can provide it for you.
 
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golfballs said:
Right or wrong

If we think they are a threat to us by obtaining nukes, then we can try and stop them if it's within our power to do so
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The DPRK has nukes and have not used them against us or Seoul. Maybe, just maybe, we (the West included) are the reason these so called "rogue" states are so interested in developing viable nuclear deterrents?
 
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