Israel vs Palestinians

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McDad said:
I disagree.

We should be pro mass killing of those who hold American hostages.
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Maybe we can kill the hostages in the process, and then there'd be no more problem.

Innocent Muslims make up most of the dead, but there are innocent Christians, too. Journalists. Etc. All of this is justified bc of 8 hostages?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Maybe we can kill the hostages in the process, and then there'd be no more problem.

Innocent Muslims make up most of the dead, but there are innocent Christians, too. Journalists. Etc. All of this is justified bc of 8 hostages?
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If that is what it takes, then so be it. We would only have to do that once or twice before the world understood taking American hostages is a no-win fool's errand.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No, it shouldn't because the price to us becomes too high. Entanglements are the biggest foreign policy threat to America.
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2 different issues. I agree on the foreign entanglements but that is different than a foreign entity be it a state or terrorist organization murdering or taking Americans hostage. The world should know that doing either will bring swift and harsh retribution.
 
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McDad said:
If that is what it takes, then so be it. We would only have to do that once or twice before the world understood taking American hostages is a no-win fool's errand.
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Except we live in a world where terrorist cells DGAF and actually do want to goad us into these heavy responses. Same goes for some foreign governments. Hell, we have people in our own government who want to goad us into action. So this strategy doesn't work neatly like you think it would.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Except we live in a world where terrorist cells DGAF and actually do want to goad us into these heavy responses. Same goes for some foreign governments. Hell, we have people in our own government who want to goad us into action. So this strategy doesn't work neatly like you think it would.
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It would. What others want outside or inside our country doesn't matter. The end result speaks for itself.
 
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McDad said:
It would. What others want outside or inside our country doesn't matter. The end result speaks for itself.
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Law of unintended consequences. Let's say your goal is to reduce hostage-taking at any cost, so then your policy is to respond heavy-handed every time a hostage is taken...will you get the result you want? If actors outside or inside want to force us into heavy-handed actions, then our policy would actually be encouraging hostage-taking.

Still want to roll the dice and see if your idea works? Now, let's factor cost.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Law of unintended consequences. Let's say your goal is to reduce hostage-taking at any cost, so then your policy is to respond heavy-handed every time a hostage is taken...will you get the result you want? If actors outside or inside want to force us into heavy-handed actions, then our policy would actually be encouraging hostage-taking.

Still want to roll the dice and see if your idea works? Now, let's factor cost.
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What does it matter if they want to force us into some heavy handed conflict?

If 10,000 of their people die everyday for every hostage taken, then sooner or later there will be no one left to force a heavy handed action on our part.

Think of it this way, how much money could I offer you for you to sneak up on a skunk and scare it?
 
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McDad said:
What does it matter if they want to force us into some heavy handed conflict?

If 10,000 of their people die everyday for every hostage taken, then sooner or later there will be no one left to force a heavy handed action on our part.

Think of it this way, how much money could I offer you for you to sneak up on a skunk and scare it?
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Now we're losing track of the goal. The goal is reduce hostage situations, you're trying to discourage them, and my point was that you might actually be encouraging them.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Now we're losing track of the goal. The goal is reduce hostage situations, you're trying to discourage them, and my point was that you might actually be encouraging them.
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I guess kidnapping, torturing, murdering, raping, and parading their naked bodies around the streets to the cheers of Gazans wasn't such a great idea after all.
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree but the sentiment within the Palestinian people is the same. They want it all, no cooperation. From the river to the sea.

And supposedly educated men and women in this country repeat that mantra again and again, not fully understanding what that means.

It's all incredibly frustrating and an impossible situation.
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They will not be happy until there is no Israel and even then they still have sand in their cracks.. they will find something else to be focused on.. possibly the US? If they had actually had the capability I strongly believe we are next
 
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LadyVolette said:
They will not be happy until there is no Israel and even then they still have sand in their cracks.. they will find something else to be focused on.. possibly the US? If they had actually had the capability I strongly believe we are next
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Believe what you want, but this is based on absolutely nothing
 
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n_huffhines said:
We're not supposed to be against genocide because Hamas has 8 Americans? Nobody is saying Hamas is the good guys, right? Nobody is defending or supporting them in any way, shape, or form. No reminers necessary
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we need reminers to learn how to code i tell ya wut
 
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McDad said:
I disagree.

We should be pro mass killing of those who hold American hostages.
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That's genius, revolutionary thought there. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much effort to kill specifically those holding American hostages while there is a widespread and constant effort aimed at killing a broad spectrum of the general population and making the area uninhabitable.
Oh, and wouldn't the doctrine of killing those who hold American hostages only be effective if it was the US military doing the killing? You know, since the purpose of the doctrine is deterrence, right?
 
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EasternVol said:
That's genius, revolutionary thought there. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much effort to kill specifically those holding American hostages while there is a widespread and constant effort aimed at killing a broad spectrum of the general population and making the area uninhabitable.
Oh, and wouldn't the doctrine of killing those who hold American hostages only be effective if it was the US military doing the killing? You know, since the purpose of the doctrine is deterrence, right?
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I’m in favor of the US Military doing all of the killing of those who would take American hostages.

No measured responses.
No limited engagements.
No rebuilding afterwards.
 
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EasternVol said:
Why ask that of someone who's not Huff?
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Because he's on ignore.

I would not have a blanket policy that is predictable and can be used against me. I would treat every hostage situation differently, but all starting with diplomacy.

In this case, I'd offer Hamas an agreement to cut off aid to Israel. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone
 
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n_huffhines said:
Because he's on ignore.

I would not have a blanket policy that is predictable and can be used against me. I would treat every hostage situation differently, but all starting with diplomacy.

In this case, I'd offer Hamas an agreement to cut off aid to Israel. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone
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That's much wiser than 'kill them all and let God sort it out'. But it won't win the Rambo wannabes.
 
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