Israel vs Palestinians

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NashVol11 said:
This is an excellent point that will be deflected or ignored
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Nobody appears to be ignoring or deflecting, they have all been fighting throughout history. At the end of the day, it seems fairly simple..... for this one to end one side has to wipe the other side out.

Let them fight.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
“It was all good until those dirty Jews started moving in.”

“There goes the neighborhood “


History is way different than the bull **** your simple mind spreads
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And now as usual you try to twist words to something that wasn't said. People take issue with invaders, those who are trying to dispossess them. It matters not what the creed or color of the disposssers are.
From what I can learn, your versions of history and current events are fantasies concocted to make your team look admirable or at least excusable.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Nobody appears to be ignoring or deflecting, they have all been fighting throughout history. At the end of the day, it seems fairly simple..... for this one to end one side has to wipe the other side out.

Let them fight.
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OK but extremely rich for an IDF cheerleader to talk about “look what you made me do” as if that’s not how they’ve been repeatedly, ad nauseam, excusing killing 40K+ people
 
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NashVol11 said:
OK but extremely rich for an IDF cheerleader to talk about “look what you made me do” as if that’s not how they’ve been repeatedly, ad nauseam, excusing killing 40K+ people
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Most of the groups and nations around Israel have constantly called for its destruction our whole life, none of us are innocent.... neither are the Jews. These people don't want the Jews there, it really is that simple. For there to be some form of peace it would seem like one side will have to wipe the other side out completely.

For the Jews to survive they're going to have to wipe out a lot more than 40k.
 
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NashVol11 said:
OK but extremely rich for an IDF cheerleader to talk about “look what you made me do” as if that’s not how they’ve been repeatedly, ad nauseam, excusing killing 40K+ people
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I’d imagine we agree on 3 main points.

1. Hamas oppresses their own citizens and needs to be removed

2. Doing so will result in some number of civilian deaths

3. By definition it will always be difficult to know who was and was not a member of a terrorist organization.

Do we agree on those points?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Most of the groups and nations around Israel have constantly called for its destruction our whole life, none of us are innocent.... neither are the Jews. These people don't want the Jews there, it really is that simple. For there to be some form of peace it would seem like one side will have to wipe the other side out completely.

For the Jews to survive they're going to have to wipe out a lot more than 40k.
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Also, a lot of the people in that area wiped out other people to take the land anyways.

Most of them are Arabs. The natives of the region were Jews and Canaanites. Greeks were also prevalent in the area. To the north you had Phoenicians, Assyrians, Hittites, Cappadocians, Armenians, etc.

The Arabs basically wiped out most of these people in the name of "Islam". The reasoning is most of these people had converted to Christianity and spoke Greek under the rule of Rome/Byzantine Empire or whatever you want to call it (Eastern Rome ruling from Constantinople and the Roman Empire prior to that plus the Seleucid Empire even before that).

The Arab Jihad wars from 7th Century - 10th Century and later Seljuk/Ottoman Jihads displaced or killed of millions of native peoples in the Middle East and replaced them with Muslim Arabs.

So hard to not call these people or EasternVol hypocrites for attacking the Jews.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
There is nothing to deflect or ignore. They don't want the Jews there i.e. peace. That is just the way it is. They will continue to fight until the end of time or one side wipes out the other side.

What is confusing here?
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You're not addressing the point.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Also, a lot of the people in that area wiped out other people to take the land anyways.

Most of them are Arabs. The natives of the region were Jews and Canaanites. Greeks were also prevalent in the area. To the north you had Phoenicians, Assyrians, Hittites, Cappadocians, Armenians, etc.

The Arabs basically wiped out most of these people in the name of "Islam". The reasoning is most of these people had converted to Christianity and spoke Greek under the rule of Rome/Byzantine Empire or whatever you want to call it (Eastern Rome ruling from Constantinople and the Roman Empire prior to that plus the Seleucid Empire even before that).

The Arab Jihad wars from 7th Century - 10th Century and later Seljuk/Ottoman Jihads displaced or killed of millions of native peoples in the Middle East and replaced them with Muslim Arabs.

So hard to not call these people or EasternVol hypocrites for attacking the Jews.
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Interesting theories on those demographic shifts there. What happened to the Canaanites and where did those settler Arabs come from? Why were the Arabs and Ottomans at odds?
'The Jews' isn't synonymous with Zionist settlers or Likud or the IDF, so your last sentence is a whopper. I haven't attacked 'the Jews' nor would I have reason to.
 
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EasternVol said:
To you, yes I can see that.
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There really isn't much to this to have a point. If the Jews wanted all those people gone, they would be gone. A vast majority of the groups and nations surrounding them want them to be killed.... they just don't have the ability to do it. They don't want the Jews there; it really is that simple.

If you don't believe the Jews should be there or want them killed, go over there and fight.

Logically speaking, this will probably go on until the end of time or one side wipes out the others. Let them fight.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
There really isn't much to this to have a point. If the Jews wanted all those people gone, they would be gone. A vast majority of the groups and nations surrounding them want them to be killed.... they just don't have the ability to do it. They don't want the Jews there; it really is that simple.

If you don't believe the Jews should be there or want them killed, go over there and fight.

Logically speaking, this will probably go on until the end of time or one side wipes out the others. Let them fight.
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The Israeli government apparently does want those people gone and are taking steps to get them gone.
Are you sure about that 'vast majority...want to kill them' thing? Because there hasn't been a whole lot of effort from them in that regard for years.
It's disingenuous to say 'let them fight' when we've stacked the odds lIke we have.
 
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EasternVol said:
The Israeli government apparently does want those people gone and are taking steps to get them gone.
Are you sure about that 'vast majority...want to kill them' thing? Because there hasn't been a whole lot of effort from them in that regard for years.
It's disingenuous to say 'let them fight' when we've stacked the odds lIke we have.
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They're walking the fine line. They would have been gone a long time ago if it were me and I was the Jews.
Are you sure about that 'vast majority...want to kill them' thing?
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Yes. I have been throughout much of the middle east, although I can't say I've been everywhere. Kill kill, kill the Jew. This isn't new.

It's disingenuous to say 'let them fight' when we've stacked the odds lIke we have.
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Well, I don't get U.S. foreign policy, the U.S. actually funds terrorist groups.... so you got me there. 🤷‍♂️ Let them fight, generally see it as the Jews against the rest.

Logically speaking, let them fight... probably will only be solved by one side wiping out the other in some kind of way.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Also, a lot of the people in that area wiped out other people to take the land anyways.

Most of them are Arabs. The natives of the region were Jews and Canaanites. Greeks were also prevalent in the area. To the north you had Phoenicians, Assyrians, Hittites, Cappadocians, Armenians, etc.

The Arabs basically wiped out most of these people in the name of "Islam". The reasoning is most of these people had converted to Christianity and spoke Greek under the rule of Rome/Byzantine Empire or whatever you want to call it (Eastern Rome ruling from Constantinople and the Roman Empire prior to that plus the Seleucid Empire even before that).

The Arab Jihad wars from 7th Century - 10th Century and later Seljuk/Ottoman Jihads displaced or killed of millions of native peoples in the Middle East and replaced them with Muslim Arabs.

So hard to not call these people or EasternVol hypocrites for attacking the Jews.
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The difference between the two is Hamas killed as many civilians as they were capable of. Had they the ability to wipe out the whole of Israel they would.
Maps were found proving that was their intent. The IDF on the other hand has killed thousands of human shields and some innocents but if they were not showing restraint then the numbers would be in the 100s on thousands.
That still doesn’t change anything. We’ve spent decades trying to impose our wishes upon people who don’t want it.
They say there can only be one. Let them have at it without us.
 
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