Israel vs Palestinians

[EasternVol]

Injustice?!?
Are you insane?

We’ve (Jewish people) have been fighting over the land for centuries. But since you want to play more recently. 100-150 years ago we (the Jewish people) were being slaughtered on that same land by the Arabs you now claim suffered an injustice. People like to pretend that didn’t happen because it was the Jewish people who were being slaughtered. This history is very well documented. The British government regularly had to intervene in the fighting. Let’s not pretend this Bull **** “injustice” started in the 1940s. Let’s also not pretend that the reason there’s o a state called Palestine is because of Israel. Palestine had the opportunity to grab statehood on multiple occasions and refused because they would have to accept Israel as a state. You might want to look into how the land was divided to create Israel. Hint: it’s where the Jewish people already were.

Spare me your indoctrinated definition of “injustice”



But I digress.

What triggered that violence 100-150 years ago?

 

[Orangeslice13]

What triggered that violence 100-150 years ago?

Antisemitism
How about 250.
How about 350.
It’s not like there’s been a gap in the violence.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Apparently you weren't a Philosphy major.

Maybe so, maybe not.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The who shot first argument just doesn’t work in this situation.
It doesn’t matter how far back you go …100-200-300-400 years, there’s always something that happened just before that.
Here’s the reality. The Jewish people can prove through DNA that they have been on the land anywhere between yesterday and 3500 years ago.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[EasternVol]

Antisemitism
How about 250.
How about 350.
It’s not like there’s been a gap in the violence.

Are you sure? 150 years ago was when the numbers of people arriving there from Europe with the stated aim of displacing the non-Jewish locals really started increasing. You think the objections to those arrivals were due to antisemitism?

 

[Ritzwatch]

The who shot first argument just doesn’t work in this situation.
It doesn’t matter how far back you go …100-200-300-400 years, there’s always something that happened just before that.
Here’s the reality. The Jewish people can prove through DNA that they have been on the land anywhere between yesterday and 3500 years ago.

The who was there first argument doesn’t work either.

All that really matters is who is there now.

If we go with who was there first, 99% of the world would be homeless.

It is strange to listen to an argument that goes, “Someone took this land from my forefathers, that is an injustice we will not abide; therefore, we will take the land back from someone else, and we will expect them to abide.”

The only way to end conflict is for people to stop fighting each other. I think about the only thing this board agrees on is that will never happen.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Antisemitism
How about 250.
How about 350.
It’s not like there’s been a gap in the violence.

Y’all were pretty chill back in Babylon.

Seriously, I am curious, I know we often use the term “Anti-Semitism” to describe opposition to Jews, but I always thought there were other ethnic groups that claimed “Semitic” history/lineage.

For purposes of your point, is it not more accurate to describe it as “Anti-Jewishness” Rather than Anti-Semitism? Or, am I being too pedantic?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Are you sure? 150 years ago was when the numbers of people arriving there from Europe with the stated aim of displacing the non-Jewish locals really started increasing. You think the objections those arrivals were due to antisemitism?

There have always been Jews on the land. They didn’t just start arriving 150 years ago. I have family that’s been there since the early 1700s.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Y’all were pretty chill back in Babylon.

Seriously, I am curious, I know we often use the term “Anti-Semitism” to describe opposition to Jews, but I always thought there were other ethnic groups that claimed “Semitic” history/lineage.

For purposes of your point, is it not more accurate to describe it as “Anti-Jewishness” Rather than Anti-Semitism? Or, am I being too pedantic?

I was being a sarcastic ass with that first part of the comment. But if I were being serious about it, your assertion would be correct

 

[Orangeslice13]

The who was there first argument doesn’t work either.

All that really matters is who is there now.

If we go with who was there first, 99% of the world would be homeless.

It is strange to listen to an argument that goes, “Someone took this land from my forefathers, that is an injustice we will not abide; therefore, we will take the land back from someone else, and we will expect them to abide.”

The only way to end conflict is for people to stop fighting each other. I think about the only thing this board agrees on is that will never happen.

Quite literally. Some family friends had their property stolen in the 1800s. They got it back in the 1950s. Those would be some of the people who are now considered criminals stealing land for simply repossession of what is theirs.

To the overall point, you are correct. It only matters who is there now. The 1940s wasn’t the beginning of this fight. It was the beginning of the end. There can only be one. Both sides agreed on that. And that’s the only way it ends

 

[YankeeVol]

Quite literally. Some family friends had their property stolen in the 1800s. They got it back in the 1950s. Those would be some of the people who are now considered criminals stealing land for simply repossession of what is theirs.

To the overall point, you are correct. It only matters who is there now. The 1940s wasn’t the beginning of this fight. It was the beginning of the end. There can only be one. Both sides agreed on that. And that’s the only way it ends

So when can I repossess the land that was mine before everyone else got here?

Do I need to ask for the manager?

 

[EasternVol]

There have always been Jews on the land. They didn’t just start arriving 150 years ago. I have family that’s been there since the early 1700s.

There have been Jews there since their initial arrival, yes. It was the European Zionists who started arriving in numbers 150 years ago which triggered the pushback you mentioned in your earlier post.

 

[norrislakevol]

There have been Jews there since their initial arrival, yes. It was the European Zionists who started arriving in numbers 150 years ago which triggered the pushback you mentioned in your earlier post.

They've been fighting brutal wars there since the book of Genesis, and it's not going to stop. When this one is over, another will be on the horizon. Men in uniform and armor will die. Women and children will die. This has been the history of war across the world for thousands of years.

 

[Vol8188]

There have been Jews there since their initial arrival, yes. It was the European Zionists who started arriving in numbers 150 years ago which triggered the pushback you mentioned in your earlier post.

And to be clear:

You admit those European Zionists do have bloodlines that trace back to Israel?

Or are you calling them “European Zionists” in an effort to obscure that fact?

 

[Orangeslice13]

So when can I repossess the land that was mine before everyone else got here?

Do I need to ask for the manager?

Take your ancestors documents to the courts and take back what was stolen from them

 

[Orangeslice13]

There have been Jews there since their initial arrival, yes. It was the European Zionists who started arriving in numbers 150 years ago which triggered the pushback you mentioned in your earlier post.

They were fighting long before 150 years ago.
Nothing was “triggered” at that point.

Just like nothing was triggered in Tennessee in 2020 when dumbasses from the west coast came rushing over

 

[YankeeVol]

Take your ancestors documents to the courts and take back what was stolen from them

TBH, IDGAF. Hell, I served the conquerors fro 20 years .

Merely pointing out how stupid that argument is. It's happened since the dawn of time and will continue to do so.

 

[Orangeslice13]

They've been fighting brutal wars there since the book of Genesis, and it's not going to stop. When this one is over, another will be on the horizon. Men in uniform and armor will die. Women and children will die. This has been the history of war across the world for thousands of years.

It’s absolutely stupid to suggest that everything was peaceful till ….pick any spot in the last 2000 years…. And then the fighting started

 

[Orangeslice13]

TBH, IDGAF. Hell, I served the conquerors fro 20 years .

Merely pointing out how stupid that argument is. It's happened since the dawn of time and will continue to do so.

You’re making my point.
Powder puff was upset by one but not the other. Hypocrites and whatnot.

I hear them when they say “there can only be 1”
I say we stop paying for it and let them have at it. Let’s not pay for the reconstruction while we’re at it.

 

[EasternVol]

They were fighting long before 150 years ago.
Nothing was “triggered” at that point.

Just like nothing was triggered in Tennessee in 2020 when dumbasses from the west coast came rushing over

Your denial of history doesn't make your fables true, but you'll believe what you want to believe, or at least pretend to.

 

[YankeeVol]

You’re making my point.
Powder puff was upset by one but not the other. Hypocrites and whatnot.

I hear them when they say “there can only be 1”
I say we stop paying for it and let them have at it. Let’s not pay for the reconstruction while we’re at it.

I have no argument in the fight. For the record f*** em all, IMO. I just found the stolen land thing funny.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Your denial of history doesn't make your fables true, but you'll believe what you want to believe, or at least pretend to.

You should open a history book.
The thing you claim triggered the violence was actually a response to violence against Jewish people and that even was 190 years ago

 

[Orangeslice13]

I have no argument in the fight. For the record f*** em all, IMO. I just found the stolen land thing funny.

It is a ****ing stupid argument my by simple minded people who are blind to history.

But ultimately agree. This isn’t our fight and should not use our money

 

[EasternVol]

You should open a history book.
The thing you claim triggered the violence was actually a response to violence against Jewish people and that even was 190 years ago

Sure it was.