Israel vs Palestinians

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EasternVol said:
You're by yourself with your sick genocidal fantasies.
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Dropping support for the endless wars != wanting everyone to die

This is the kind of mentality has gotten this nation in the endless war cycle. The only way for all this to end at some stage is for one side to wipe the other side out, not being a part of it seems wise.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Dropping support for the endless wars != wanting everyone to die

This is the kind of mentality has gotten this nation in the endless war cycle. The only way for all this to end at some stage is for one side to wipe the other side out, not being a part of it seems wise.
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And in regards to the Middle East, we don’t even really have to get involved. All we have to do is quit putting restrictions on Israel. Just go hands off and let them finish the job.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And in regards to the Middle East, we don’t even really have to get involved. All we have to do is quit putting restrictions on Israel. Just go hands off and let them finish the job.
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If someone can get us out of all these messes, much of which we create directly or indirectly.... that would be a good thing, although some might not like the short-term results.

I frankly don't care which side does what, as long as we are out. It would seem like one side needs to wipe out the other side, or it appears to be a never-ending cycle that won't ever end.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
If someone can get us out of all these messes, much of which we create directly or indirectly.... that would be a good thing, although some might not like the short-term results.

I frankly don't care which side does what, as long as we are out. It would seem like one side needs to wipe out the other side, or it appears to be a never-ending cycle that won't ever end.
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If the Bible is right, the conflict will not end until the battle of Armageddon when the entire world will gang up against Israel and be defeated by the returning Christ.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Sherman looks like a mangey dog in the picture. Half Ginger, half brown hair...with a face only a mother could love.

Love the quote though.
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Yup, you don’t shorten war by making it more palatable. War is ugly and harsh. If you attempt to soften the blow, you greatly prolong the duration of the suffering while growing the casualty count.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Yup, you don’t shorten war by making it more palatable. War is ugly and harsh. If you attempt to soften the blow, you greatly prolong the duration of the suffering while growing the casualty count.
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Agree for the most part.

The longer the conflict the more that can be extradited usually, and that can mean more pain for the people there. Imagine someone saying in 1991, the U.S. spending $2 trillion in Afghanistan on some war that really didn't even exist. That person would be considered insane. Afghanistan has been the largest money maker to date.

Let them fight and a portion of the problems solve themselves.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I think this is end game.
They both think there can only be one and this time…..really every time….the Palestinians played right into Israel’s hands. Every move the Palestinians have made since the formation of Israel has been a mistake.
There will be no Gaza when it’s over.
The wealthy Palestinians are in Egypt selling off their property to the Israeli elite. When it’s all said and done it will be Israel from the river to the sea. I think you’re right in that someone else convinced Hamas to attack and they expected a lot of support that never came.
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I dont think anyone doubts that israel can defeat Hamas and possibly Hezbollah too. The problem is that their defeat will destabilize the region and cause a much larger war with iran that will likely require assistance from the us, and I think that's the trap that's being laid. If trump ends support for ukraine, which seems likely, that will leave europe to defend itself, effectively ending us membership in nato however the media wants to spin it. This means that us would be alone fighting a war half a world away, which would a precarious position to be in. With trumps penchant to go in bigly that could leave our home country defenseless if there were any complications in that conflict. I think that's the nature of the trap being laid for the us and israel.

In any case, theres no shooting solution to Gaza and lebanon. Any lasting peace will have to come from another way. As it stands whichever side is down will just bide their time, even if its decades, until the side presents some weakness.
 
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jvol1 said:
I dont think anyone doubts that israel can defeat Hamas and possibly Hezbollah too. The problem is that their defeat will destabilize the region and cause a much larger war with iran that will likely require assistance from the us, and I think that's the trap that's being laid. If trump ends support for ukraine, which seems likely, that will leave europe to defend itself, effectively ending us membership in nato however the media wants to spin it. This means that us would be alone fighting a war half a world away, which would a precarious position to be in. With trumps penchant to go in bigly that could leave our home country defenseless if there were any complications in that conflict. I think that's the nature of the trap being laid for the us and israel.

In any case, theres no shooting solution to Gaza and lebanon. Any lasting peace will have to come from another way. As it stands whichever side is down will just bide their time, even if its decades, until the side presents some weakness.
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Again that’s all from our point of view. I believe the Israelis see things differently. That’s been the problem all along. Trying to put a western solution on a Middle East problem.

I also believe the Samson option is a real thing.
 
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jvol1 said:
I dont think anyone doubts that israel can defeat Hamas and possibly Hezbollah too. The problem is that their defeat will destabilize the region and cause a much larger war with iran that will likely require assistance from the us, and I think that's the trap that's being laid. If trump ends support for ukraine, which seems likely, that will leave europe to defend itself, effectively ending us membership in nato however the media wants to spin it. This means that us would be alone fighting a war half a world away, which would a precarious position to be in. With trumps penchant to go in bigly that could leave our home country defenseless if there were any complications in that conflict. I think that's the nature of the trap being laid for the us and israel.

In any case, theres no shooting solution to Gaza and lebanon. Any lasting peace will have to come from another way. As it stands whichever side is down will just bide their time, even if its decades, until the side presents some weakness.
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Based on what evidence?
 
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jp1 said:
Based on what evidence?
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Trump's known for doing things "h-uge" in real estate, business, and everything, trump tower for instance. It seems like he could gainsay his generals and over commit if it comes down to it. I believe he's promised consequences on day one if the hostages aren't released. Leaving europe to deal with the russians while we pursue, what would appear to be, the easier path based on prior experience, militarily in the middle east is the set up.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Judges 16.

TL;DR version: If they go down, they take their enemies with them.

I don’t sweat this, though I have no doubt the option is real; I don’t sweat it because I believe the rest of the Book.
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So how do we get from here to a place where Gog/maygog of ez 38 is even remotely possible?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So how do we get from here to a place where Gog/maygog of ez 38 is even remotely possible?
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I guess I always understood the Samson option as being nuclear strikes. Hey also understood nuclear strikes to be so incomparable with human life that there wouldn’t be any settlement of those areas for thousands of years.

I may be wrong, but if there was a nuclear war in the Middle East, Ez 38 is not going to be a concern of mine. Those waste lands being resettled without walls would take a bit longer than my timeline.

If Samson is less than nuclear disaster, you may be right, and I may see Gog after all.

I do always enjoy your perspective on this; it makes me challenge my assumptions. 👍🏾
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I guess I always understood the Samson option as being nuclear strikes. Hey also understood nuclear strikes to be so incomparable with human life that there wouldn’t be any settlement of those areas for thousands of years.

I may be wrong, but if there was a nuclear war in the Middle East, Ez 38 is not going to be a concern of mine. Those waste lands being resettled without walls would take a bit longer than my timeline.

If Samson is less than nuclear disaster, you may be right, and I may see Gog after all.

I do always enjoy your perspective on this; it makes me challenge my assumptions. 👍🏾
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No, you’re correct on the Samson option. If they go out they take everyone with them.
I was more wondering your opinion on the EZ 38 war. You seem versed in the topic. In my mind the conditions were perfect before October 7. I would argue that October 7th was so successful because of it. I just don’t see how Israel returns to a place where they can be caught by surprise again.
But it’s in the book and people like me believe it’s going to happen……I just don’t see how we get there from where we are now
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
No, you’re correct on the Samson option. If they go out they take everyone with them.
I was more wondering your opinion on the EZ 38 war. You seem versed in the topic. In my mind the conditions were perfect before October 7. I would argue that October 7th was so successful because of it. I just don’t see how Israel returns to a place where they can be caught by surprise again.
But it’s in the book and people like me believe it’s going to happen……I just don’t see how we get there from where we are now
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I think it is possible Ez 38 is a result of a large scale betrayal.

Maybe by us.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I think it is possible Ez 38 is a result of a large scale betrayal.

Maybe by us.
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There is apparently a significant portion of those who vote Democrat that hate Israel and would surely betray them given an opportunity. The same ones who now openly wave "palestinian" flags and spew hatred publicly for the Jews. This is a new phenomenon in our country, at least at this scale, and a disturbing development in my opinion. Never would have happened 20 years ago.

Absolute insanity that the majority of the Jews in this country vote for the same Democrat party. Same as the gays who are pro-muslim...how can you be "pro" anyone who given half a chance would kill you without hesitation nor remorse? Talk about being illogical...
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I think it is possible Ez 38 is a result of a large scale betrayal.

Maybe by us.
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That’s clearly part of it. It’s written that Israel is left without defense from her allies. That seems to be taking shape but the part that gets me is at the same time Israel is living in peace. In security and without walled cities. She was said to be a nation that was of people who were regathered by G-d. That also fits or did pre October 7th. Also this war is said to be lead by an attack from what is now Muslim nations like Iran, turkey and a host of others but lead by Russia. With Russia tied up in their own conflict I’m having trouble seeing how that conflict is imminent. But….. it’s also said that the generation that sees the rebirth of Israel will also see this war so the time is running out.

Interesting stuff.
 
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