Israel vs Palestinians

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McDad said:
I wish people like you were granted complete power over the area. You genuinely want peace. Not all the decision makers are so noble. Until someone with your type of approach is in a position to foment a long term fair solution, what you want will never happen. I want to win the Mega Millions. Also, will never happen.
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Problem is someone who want peace in the region will never survive let alone be elected for leadership.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Problem is someone who want peace in the region will never survive let alone be elected for leadership.
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People should watch the movie about Lady Jane Gray from 1986. It is very sad. She wanted what was right for her nation and was willing to listen but she got totally undermined by the nobles and dethrone. Queen Mary (same one that we call Bloody Mary and Elizabeth I replaced), had her beheaded when she was still a teenager.

At her death, she supposedly got stressed because she couldn't find where to put her head on the rack for the beheading.

Totally terrible story about how bad we are as humans. Even with a "Good" leader, we can undermine everything.

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Lady Jane (1986) ⭐ 7.1 | Biography, Drama, History

2h 16m | PG-13
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You finally understand.

We should stop trying to force our ideals on a conflict that neither side wants. We should get out of the way and let them resolve it themselves and we should definitely not pay for it.

I realize that you would be in agreement if your side was winning. But as Israel is destroying the people who had 15 years to grow into a nation. A people who attacked the country they were even more dependent on after that 15 years. Your response will be some form of nonsense
 
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Israel should allow the American company who offered to flood the entire tunnel network beneath Gaza with seawater to proceed. Guy that was on Shawn Ryans podcast (former Spec Ops guy) travelled to Israel and pitched the idea to leadership...he said that funding to pay for it was already secured in the US...and his tunnel boring company could flood the entire system rapidly using huge, high pressure water pumps...forcing Hamas above ground to either fight and die or flee. Flood the entire system until its completely full of water, then bomb the sheit outta the surface to kill anyone that decides to stay and fight. Finally, start bulldozing and demolishing the entire city...such that it can be cleared and redeveloped by Israeli citizens, companies etc.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You finally understand.

We should stop trying to force our ideals on a conflict that neither side wants. We should get out of the way and let them resolve it themselves and we should definitely not pay for it.

I realize that you would be in agreement if your side was winning. But as Israel is destroying the people who had 15 years to grow into a nation. A people who attacked the country they were even more dependent on after that 15 years. Your response will be some form of nonsense
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That's nice but it's not like you're qualified to say who understands what.
Unfortunately we have paid for it and we'll continue to pay for it. Walking away isn't politically practical, and probably not possible, domestically or internationally.
The situation there is largely the result of our one sided and incompetent meddling since we assumed that task from the British. You saying we should stay out of it now only means we should have no say in how what we've enabled turns out. Ideally, considering the current mess, we'll take a more even approach but it's not likely.
If my side, which is humanity, was winning there wouldn't be death and destruction on either side of the conflict.
You saying Gaza had 15 years to grow into a nation is a good example of how you habitually throw out propaganda that only idiots or those very ignorant of the facts would believe.
 
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EasternVol said:
That's nice but it's not like you're qualified to say who understands what.
Unfortunately we have paid for it and we'll continue to pay for it. Walking away isn't politically practical, and probably not possible, domestically or internationally.
The situation there is largely the result of our one sided and incompetent meddling since we assumed that task from the British. You saying we should stay out of it now only means we should have no say in how what we've enabled turns out. Ideally, considering the current mess, we'll take a more even approach but it's not likely.
If my side, which is humanity, was winning there wouldn't be death and destruction on either side of the conflict.
You saying Gaza had 15 years to grow into a nation is a good example of how you habitually throw out propaganda that only idiots or those very ignorant of the facts would believe.
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To be fair, USA really didn't start supporting Israel until the 1960s. Prior to that, they primarily received add from the Soviet Union. USA had very limited involvement in the original 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

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1948 Arab–Israeli War - Wikipedia

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EasternVol said:
That's nice but it's not like you're qualified to say who understands what.
Unfortunately we have paid for it and we'll continue to pay for it. Walking away isn't politically practical, and probably not possible, domestically or internationally.
The situation there is largely the result of our one sided and incompetent meddling since we assumed that task from the British. You saying we should stay out of it now only means we should have no say in how what we've enabled turns out. Ideally, considering the current mess, we'll take a more even approach but it's not likely.
If my side, which is humanity, was winning there wouldn't be death and destruction on either side of the conflict.
You saying Gaza had 15 years to grow into a nation is a good example of how you habitually throw out propaganda that only idiots or those very ignorant of the facts would believe.
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There is some truth to what you are saying for sure. But the real issue for the Palestinians is they have been used as a wedge against Israel for decades with no regard by their peers for Palestinian people.

They have always been given just enough by their neighbors/sponsors to be a thorn in Israel's side. None of its neighbors/sponsors wants to offer them real means to fight because they are afraid those arms would eventually be turned against them in sectarian violence.

At this the gap between them and Israel is too far to overcome militarily, hell even Israel's sovereign neighbors have learned not to provide l provoke them with war....... Except Iran but then they tread lightly.

Given Israeli military strength and Palestinian bring unwilling to agree to a two state solution I don't see anything but conflict with periods of peace for the foreseeable future.

What is the answer? There just aren't any.
 
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