Israel vs Palestinians

[NashVol11]

Where do you draw the line between "Free" speech and "Hate" speech?

The Supreme Court has drawn that line several times and I haven't seen any evidence that he crossed it

 

[NashVol11]

When you dress as a terrorist, covering your face and call for the extermination of a country l don't consider that protesting.

I also don't think if people dressed like the Clan showed up on a College campus and took over buildings I doubt the school administration or the left would be as tolerant on "Free" speech.

Putting people protesting a genocide in the same discussion as the KKK is hilarious

 

[McDad]

Putting people protesting a genocide in the same discussion as the KKK is hilarious

I don't think so. Compare and contrast is a legitimate way to assess the application of rules, norms, and ideas of fairness.

It's done wrt free speech all the time.

 

[NashVol11]

I've read nothing so far that would lead me to believe Khalil has done anything illegal beyond civil disobedience. Based on what I've seen is be hard pressed to agree with his deportation. Again, unless there are other factors.


On the other hand I find these protests ring hollow for me. I didn't see them pressuring the university to divest and suspend academic ties to Palestinians for the horrors of Oct 7th and I couldn't imagine the university allowing Jews to chant anti Palestinian slogans and call for the overtaking of Gaza and the West Bank.

The divesting idea is about the fact that the money we send there is contributing to death. I don't think we're as "invested" in Hamas in the first place, so it doesn't apply the same way.

There are plenty of pro-Israel protests on college campuses too where I'm sure people have talked about annexing Gaza, there just aren't as many students on Israel's side

 

[NashVol11]

The far right DID have a protest on a college campus, in Charlottesville. Remember that? Where someone drove a car into a bunch of people and killed someone and it was "very fine people" or whatever

 

[NashVol11]

 

[Smokey123]

Putting people protesting a genocide in the same discussion as the KKK is hilarious

saying zionists deserve to die and harassing jewish students is an ironic way of protesting genocide

 

[Smokey123]

The far right DID have a protest on a college campus, in Charlottesville. Remember that? Where someone drove a car into a bunch of people and killed someone and it was "very fine people" or whatever

Kind of sounds like they’re one in the same. They both hate Jews

 

[NashVol11]

Kind of sounds like they’re one in the same. They both hate Jews

Source: I made it up. And "one in the same" isn't the expression

 

[Smokey123]

Source: I made it up. And "one in the same" isn't the expression

What was made up?

 

[NashVol11]

What was made up?

Hating Israel slaughtering a bunch of civilians isn't "hating Jews"

 

[Smokey123]

Hating Israel slaughtering a bunch of civilians isn't "hating Jews"

Yes I’m sure the all time high of anti-Semitic attacks on college campuses last year were because they love the Jews. I’m sure the 69 year old Jewish man that was killed at one of the protests in 23’ was out of love.

Denying that Palestinians hate Jews is like denying the far right hates Jews

 

[85SugarVol]

Where do you draw the line between "Free" speech and "Hate" speech?

There is no difference. Wtf.

Why is this so difficult for so many.

 

[NashVol11]

Yes I’m sure the all time high of anti-Semitic attacks on college campuses last year were because they love the Jews. I’m sure the 69 year old Jewish man that was killed at one of the protests in 23’ was out of love.

No, it was because the ADL started calling every protest an "anti-Semitic attack"

Denying that Palestinians hate Jews is like denying the far right hates Jews

Many of those protestors ARE Jews, genius. I would love to show the video of that one clown who went into a protest yelling "I AM A JEW. ATTACK ME!" And everyone just ignored her, as she didn't notice she was standing next to a "Jews for a Free Palestine" sign lol. The person deleted it but I'm sure it's somewhere out there

 

[85SugarVol]

Putting people protesting a genocide in the same discussion as the KKK is hilarious

Does the righteousness of the cause determine how much latitude one is given under the First?

 

[85SugarVol]

Yes I’m sure the all time high of anti-Semitic attacks on college campuses last year were because they love the Jews. I’m sure the 69 year old Jewish man that was killed at one of the protests in 23’ was out of love.

Denying that Palestinians hate Jews is like denying the far right hates Jews

“You have to hate the Jews more than you love your own children”

 

[Smokey123]

No, it was because the ADL started calling every protest an "anti-Semitic attack"

Many of those protestors ARE Jews, genius. I would love to show the video of that one clown who went into a protest yelling "I AM A JEW. ATTACK ME!" And everyone just ignored her, as she didn't notice she was standing next to a "Jews for a Free Palestine" sign lol. The person deleted it but I'm sure it's somewhere out there

Ahh yes there’s Jews that are protesting too so obviously they don’t hate Jews. Great logic. Gays protesting too so obviously Palestine is pro LGBT

 

[NashVol11]

Ahh yes there’s Jews that are protesting too so obviously they don’t hate Jews. Great logic. Gays protesting too so obviously Palestine is pro LGBT

We are talking about protestors on college campuses, not "Palestine." Sounds like they don't hate gay people either, good for them

 

[NashVol11]

Does the righteousness of the cause determine how much latitude one is given under the First?

No, and I realize my post implies otherwise because I thought he was making a different comparison than he was. But as I later said, the far right did have a protest like that without any real discussions about limiting speech as a result IIRC

 

[Smokey123]

“You have to hate the Jews more than you love your own children”

I’m sure they actually just hate Zionism. They love jews

 

[EasternVol]

First Amendment.

 

[85SugarVol]

No, and I realize my post implies otherwise because I thought he was making a different comparison than he was. But as I later said, the far right did have a protest like that without any real discussions about limiting speech as a result IIRC

You’re right, I don’t remember any real discussions to limit speech (outside of the “hate speech isn’t free speech” nonsense) as a result of that riot.

Though it wasn’t students, and was not on campus. It was in a city park.

I thought the tangential discussion was about the probable double standard in favor of the anti-Israel protests on campus.

The argument being that if:
-Instead of faces cloaked in keffiyeh, they were faces cloaked in white hoods.
-Instead of advocating for the destruction of Israel, the destruction of Black America.
-Instead of death to Zionists, it was death to black people.

It would elicit a profoundly different response, and a much heavier hand. And I think we all likely know that to be true.

 

[EasternVol]

I've read nothing so far that would lead me to believe Khalil has done anything illegal beyond civil disobedience. Based on what I've seen is be hard pressed to agree with his deportation. Again, unless there are other factors.


On the other hand I find these protests ring hollow for me. I didn't see them pressuring the university to divest and suspend academic ties to Palestinians for the horrors of Oct 7th and I couldn't imagine the university allowing Jews to chant anti Palestinian slogans and call for the overtaking of Gaza and the West Bank.

I diubt the university had financial ties with hamas to start with.

 

[EasternVol]

His green card and student visa are revoked.. Not a give can of this but I also believe we meet in to many people who refuse to assimilate and that part of the reason we are in the position we are socially

Why were they revoked?

 

[85SugarVol]

I’m sure they actually just hate Zionism. They love jews

No, the Palestinian mothers were pretty explicit in stating “Jews”.