Israel vs Palestinians

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85SugarVol said:
I wonder if Hamas said that IDF mowed down 800 people in broad daylight - and CNN ran with it.

I wonder if it was something else.
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Yep, “just waiting for food” isn’t how the IDF described what occured. But that’s apparently not important to cnn because it wouldn’t be as fun of a story
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yep, “just waiting for food” isn’t how the IDF described what occured. But that’s apparently not important to cnn because it wouldn’t be as fun of a story
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I guess it’s possible IDF mowed down 800 people in broad daylight in a hail of gunfire. But I find that unlikely.

I wonder how many people died with tire tracks up their backs though.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I wonder if Hamas said that IDF mowed down 800 people in broad daylight - and CNN ran with it.

I wonder if it was something else.
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Thats how it was originally spun..that the IDF assassinated dozens of unarmed Palestinian women, children, and elderly who were just trying to get food.

Then it comes out they killed themselves like a herd of stampeding goats chasing lemmings..

Then it comes out that the got aggressive with the local IDF folks who defended themselves.

Silly left wing nazi's.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Yesterday CNN was part of the “free press” though, right?
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Yes, your side (antisemites), often intersect with left wing media when it comes to the specific topic of Israel.

When it comes to the topic of Russia, you completely disagree with left, right, and more neutral free press (Reason for example) and I openly go with whatever Russian media tells you.

Me disagreeing with one free press agency on how they phrase a headline, doesn’t mean I should clearly ignore all free press in favor of Russian state owned media like you do
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You serious, Clark?

Hamas Charter - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
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Ras was correct in what he posted.
From link:
Under the heading "The position toward Occupation and Political Solutions" (paragraphs 18 to 23), the document describes the two-state solution, i.e. the creation of an independent Palestinian state according to the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capital, as a "formula of national consensus", but without giving up the claim to the whole of Palestine, "from the river to the sea", and "without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity."[2] Rickard Lagervall (Jönköping University) viewed this as an "ambiguous formulation".[11] Tareq Baconi (Columbia University, European Council on Foreign Relations) gives two reasons why Hamas didn't explicitly recognize Israel:[18]

You are correct that the charter doesn't give up claim to all of Israel.

For those who want a two state solution, should Hamas give up claim in order to pursue peace?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, your side (antisemites), often intersect with left wing media when it comes to the specific topic of Israel.

When it comes to the topic of Russia, you completely disagree with left, right, and more neutral free press (Reason for example) and I openly go with whatever Russian media tells you.

Me disagreeing with one free press agency on how they phrase a headline, doesn’t mean I should clearly ignore all free press in favor of Russian state owned media like you do
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Lol. The ole anti-Semite slur when caught playing both sides of the fence…

Now, it’s left, right or neutral free press? If CNN headlines were going after Putin or Russia you’d be lapping it up with a spoon…

Weak..
 
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McDad said:
Ras was correct in what he posted.
From link:
Under the heading "The position toward Occupation and Political Solutions" (paragraphs 18 to 23), the document describes the two-state solution, i.e. the creation of an independent Palestinian state according to the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capital, as a "formula of national consensus", but without giving up the claim to the whole of Palestine, "from the river to the sea", and "without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity."[2] Rickard Lagervall (Jönköping University) viewed this as an "ambiguous formulation".[11] Tareq Baconi (Columbia University, European Council on Foreign Relations) gives two reasons why Hamas didn't explicitly recognize Israel:[18]

You are correct that the charter doesn't give up claim to all of Israel.

For those who want a two state solution, should Hamas give up claim in order to pursue peace?
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Once again.
I don’t read a damn thing that Ras posts.
Most of it is propaganda and garbage.
You’re welcome to if you like.
And I’ll take your word that he posted something credible.

I know how Hamas defined “Palestinian” and I know what their character says they will do about it. I know they affirmed it as recently as 2 weeks ago.
And I call BS on the 1967 boarders thing. I believe they wrote it down but I also believe they knew it was a way to put something down that made them look “good” knowing it was a nonstarter.

Would you like to know why it’s a nonstarter and why Hamas knows that?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Lol. The ole anti-Semite slur when caught playing both sides of the fence…

Now, it’s left, right or neutral free press? If CNN headlines were going after Putin or Russia you’d be lapping it up with a spoon…

Weak..
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Saying “I don’t agree with everything, every free press agency reports”

Isn’t “playing both sides of the fence”.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Once again.
I don’t read a damn thing that Ras posts.
Most of it is propaganda and garbage.
You’re welcome to if you like.
And I’ll take your word that he posted something credible.

I know how Hamas defined “Palestinian” and I know what their character says they will do about it. I know they affirmed it as recently as 2 weeks ago.
And I call BS on the 1967 boarders thing. I believe they wrote it down but I also believe they knew it was a way to put something down that made them look “good” knowing it was a nonstarter.

Would you like to know why it’s a nonstarter and why Hamas knows that?
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The opinion you have is shared by someone apparently notable (Rickard Lagervall) and in the wiki article on the charter.

Sure, I'd like to know.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yesterday CNN was the same news source that ran the Hamas lie -

IDF Strike on Hospital Kills 500
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The news reports on ABC are saying that they don’t know what happened and showing drone footage of a riot.

“many of the deaths were not from gunshot wounds “


Maybe Hamas should surrender and stop hiding behind their people and all this death and destruction stops. It looks like this is a price Hamas is willing to pay
 
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McDad said:
The opinion you have is shared by someone apparently notable (Rickard Lagervall) and in the wiki article on the charter.

Sure, I'd like to know.
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I’m biased. I’ve been treated badly by racist many times in my life. I have family in harms way and a friend who fought for his life in defense of his wife on 10/07.
Unlike the AS in here, I own my biases and I’m honest about it.


If you grab a map and look at the land Israel gave back in 1967 vs what they kept, you will notice that the lands they kept were used to stage an attack on Israel. They are strategically placed and difficult to defend if they’re in the hands of your enemies. Basically Israel said “you won’t be using that to attack us again. So Hamas gets to say they would agree to a 2 state solution knowing they don’t have to and can continue to attack Israel.
 
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McDad said:
Ras was correct in what he posted.
From link:
Under the heading "The position toward Occupation and Political Solutions" (paragraphs 18 to 23), the document describes the two-state solution, i.e. the creation of an independent Palestinian state according to the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capital, as a "formula of national consensus", but without giving up the claim to the whole of Palestine, "from the river to the sea", and "without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity."[2] Rickard Lagervall (Jönköping University) viewed this as an "ambiguous formulation".[11] Tareq Baconi (Columbia University, European Council on Foreign Relations) gives two reasons why Hamas didn't explicitly recognize Israel:[18]

You are correct that the charter doesn't give up claim to all of Israel.

For those who want a two state solution, should Hamas give up claim in order to pursue peace?
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Returning to the 1967 borders should be an absolute deal killer for Israel.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Lol. The ole anti-Semite slur when caught playing both sides of the fence…
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If the shoe fits

Pacer92 said:
I agree...big banking controls everything that goes on in this country and the world. Corrupt criminals that exploit the masses. All wars are bankers wars...

When people realize who runs the banks, they will be enlightened to the root of the problem...
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