Israel vs Palestinians

[hog88]

Forgive me in advance for skepticism, but has there been any independent, trustworthy sources verifying Hamas's claims about the recent event?

Forgive me in advance but are there any independent, trustworthy sources?

 

[McDad]

Forgive me in advance but are there any independent, trustworthy sources?

Good point. Some are more trustworthy than others for sure.

Cell phones and surveillance cameras everywhere, but with some events full video is somehow missing.

 

[85SugarVol]

I’ve done my homework…the class can do the same.

Lmaoooo

This was you just yesterday -

I don’t hide dog…

Don’t b!tch up now man

 

[Pacer92]

Lmaoooo

This was you just yesterday -



Don’t b!tch up now man

I’m here. Don’t get upset when your stalk/bait/label game don’t get results…

 

[hog88]

Good point. Some are more trustworthy than others for sure.

Cell phones and surveillance cameras everywhere, but with some events full video is somehow missing.

They’re all on a continuum.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Dude is a clown.

What?!? No, he’s a bastion of neutral understanding

 

[Orangeslice13]

Forgive me in advance but are there any independent, trustworthy sources?

Nope

 

[McDad]

They’re all on a continuum.

Sonofa.... where's Luther??

 

[McDad]

@McDad I think I conflated two things. I believe he was saying the deal in the 60's was a sham. I conflated it with problems surrounding this deal.

With regard to the Oslo Accords, he talked about how the PLO lost power to maintain the treaty after the peace negotiation because it wasn't popular with many Palestinians, but we also know Netanyahu has been supporting the rise of Hamas to undermine the PLO/PA.

If you're interested in hearing about that, go to 54:38

Two Israel-Palestine Historians Explain: How Did We Get Here? And What Happens Next?

Two historians share their thoughts on Israel’s military response, the future of the Israel-Hamas conflict, and the "missing moderate middle" on both sides

www.theringer.com

And that's probably the most informative episode, if you want to just do 1.

I listened to the section of the podcast you offered. I read some of the transcript as well. Thanks for sharing it.

My comment, Netanyahu and the Israeli government decided to funnel money in an effort to bolster Hamas. Their political maneuvering predicated on the belief Hamas would continue to act as a terrorist organization and the west would condemn them. Hamas did what was predicted.
Does Hamas not have a choice? Could they have taken that aid and addressed their water supply, sewage, infrastructure instead of using money to be violent?

 

[85SugarVol]

I’m here. Don’t get upset when your stalk/bait/label game don’t get results…

You literally said “I don’t hide”

But you won’t just come out and say it. Why is that?

 

[EasternVol]

You’re all over the map with nonsense here. My meaning was obvious. Only you could’ve read that and assumed I was claiming Irish people are Muslims. That’s on you, not me.

lol and now you want me to answer nonsense questions? Islam doesn’t incite Christian Palestinians into terrorism. You’re falsely pretending that these are equal. 50% of Palestinian terrorists are not Christians.

It's not my fault that you can't write what you mean and that you can't answer clear questions.
What are the cultural bases for Zionist, Irish, and Christian Palestinian terrorism and how do they differ from the basis of Muslim Palestinian terrorism?

 

[Vol8188]

It's not my fault that you can't write what you mean and that you can't answer clear questions.
What are the cultural bases for Zionist, Irish, and Christian Palestinian terrorism and how do they differ from the basis of Muslim Palestinian terrorism?

This is like saying “women commit violence too”! “If it’s (insert testosterone or the Y chromosome here in place of Islam) that causes violence, then why do women commit so much violence”!

As I’ve told you many, many times now…those things aren’t equal.

You seem to believe they’re equal. So you’re continue to try to get me to answer a question that makes sense from your point of view, but not from mine.

I do not see these as equal. So when you ask why those terrorists exist too, my answer is “human nature”. All groups have a capacity for violence and all groups commit violence.

But that’s like saying “women commit murders too!”. Sure they do, but you’re ignoring the proportionality. The question that really matters is “why do males (Muslims in this case) do so far more frequently”

 

[82_VOL_83]

Sonofa.... where's Luther??

 

[82_VOL_83]

I listened to the section of the podcast you offered. I read some of the transcript as well. Thanks for sharing it.

My comment, Netanyahu and the Israeli government decided to funnel money in an effort to bolster Hamas. Their political maneuvering predicated on the belief Hamas would continue to act as a terrorist organization and the west would condemn them. Hamas did what was predicted.
Does Hamas not have a choice? Could they have taken that aid and addressed their water supply, sewage, infrastructure instead of using money to be violent?

Wrong color of money to be peaceful. Don't you know any terrorist accounting principles???

 

[n_huffhines]

I listened to the section of the podcast you offered. I read some of the transcript as well. Thanks for sharing it.

My comment, Netanyahu and the Israeli government decided to funnel money in an effort to bolster Hamas. Their political maneuvering predicated on the belief Hamas would continue to act as a terrorist organization and the west would condemn them. Hamas did what was predicted.
Does Hamas not have a choice? Could they have taken that aid and addressed their water supply, sewage, infrastructure instead of using money to be violent?

Hamas definitely could have done that.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Forgive me in advance for skepticism, but has there been any independent, trustworthy sources verifying Hamas's claims about the recent event?

Yes. Their name is Shamas..based out of the same office as National Lampoons foreign affairs office in Gaza..

 

[Pacer92]

You literally said “I don’t hide”

But you won’t just come out and say it. Why is that?

I don’t need to say anything I haven’t already said..

Your obsession is prominent…your game, not so much.

 

[McDad]

Hamas definitely could have done that.

You seem to be a pragmatist. Even though you have your emotional hot buttons...we all do...you seem to pursue logical fixes to complex issues. Such as a two state solution.

Here's what reasonable people will have to accept, we cannot bring logic and reason as a solution to an issue so entangled with emotions. Just thinking logically about the situation in Gaza as if I am a Palestinian, it's a crap place to live, there are no jobs, pitiful infrastructure, unhealthy, my government is more interested in terror plots than its people, always in danger, and there is no real ability to fight against my overpowered enemy. I would emigrate by any means necessary asap.

 

[EasternVol]

This is like saying “women commit violence too”! “If it’s (insert testosterone or the Y chromosome here in place of Islam) that causes violence, then why do women commit so much violence”!

As I’ve told you many, many times now…those things aren’t equal.

You seem to believe they’re equal. So you’re continue to try to get me to answer a question that makes sense from your point of view, but not from mine.

I do not see these as equal. So when you ask why those terrorists exist too, my answer is “human nature”. All groups have a capacity for violence and all groups commit violence.

But that’s like saying “women commit murders too!”. Sure they do, but you’re ignoring the proportionality. The question that really matters is “why do males (Muslims in this case) do so far more frequently”

You can't really believe that if Muslims are terrorists it's because of their religion and if anyone else is then it's just human nature. Even you couldn't be that stupid. But I know from experience that you could be such a mindless cheerleader that you try to distort the truth. Remember that Europeans used political terrorism in Europe and Palestine well before Arabs did.
There's no difference in 'level' between terrorism committed by Muslims and that done by Zionists, Irish Catholics, Basque Catholics, Philippine and Indian and Russian and Peruvian, etc. Communists and others.

 

[Vol8188]

You can't really believe that if Muslims are terrorists it's because of their religion and if anyone else is then it's just human nature. Even you couldn't be that stupid. But I know from experience that you could be such a mindless cheerleader that you try to distort the truth. Remember that Europeans used political terrorism in Europe and Palestine well before Arabs did.
There's no difference in 'level' between terrorism committed by Muslims and that done by Zionists, Irish Catholics, Basque Catholics, Philippine and Indian and Russian and Peruvian, etc. Communists and others.

At this point you’re not even trying to understand what I am saying. Yes, there’s a difference. Muslims are more likely than others to commit terrorist acts. Human nature means all groups have members who have committed evil at some point. Muslim culture however openly encourages it. That’s the obvious difference here

 

[EasternVol]

At this point you’re not even trying to understand what I am saying. Yes, there’s a difference. Muslims are more likely than others to commit terrorist acts. Human nature means all groups have members who have committed evil at some point. Muslim culture however openly encourages it. That’s the obvious difference here

I understand what you're trying to say and it's absolute horseshxt.

 

[Vol8188]

I understand what you're trying to say and it's absolute horseshxt.

Okay. List for me Zionist terrorist attacks outside of the Middle East since 1990. For everyone you identify, I’ll provide 2 additional Muslim terrorist attacks outside of the Middle East since 1990.

If there’s no difference in proportionality, this shouldn’t be difficult for you.

 

[EasternVol]

Okay. List for me Zionist terrorist attacks outside of the Middle East since 1990. For everyone you identify, I’ll provide 2 additional Muslim terrorist attacks outside of the Middle East since 1990.

If there’s no difference in proportionality, this shouldn’t be difficult for you.

Zionists attacks after they achieved their objective? Nice try. Let's take Palestinian and Zionist terrorism starting in 1900. They're not so very different. What's the basis for each group's use of terrorism as a political tool?

 

[n_huffhines]

You seem to be a pragmatist. Even though you have your emotional hot buttons...we all do...you seem to pursue logical fixes to complex issues. Such as a two state solution.

Here's what reasonable people will have to accept, we cannot bring logic and reason as a solution to an issue so entangled with emotions. Just thinking logically about the situation in Gaza as if I am a Palestinian, it's a crap place to live, there are no jobs, pitiful infrastructure, unhealthy, my government is more interested in terror plots than its people, always in danger, and there is no real ability to fight against my overpowered enemy. I would emigrate by any means necessary asap.

I still think you need to apply logic to the solutions, you just can't plan things as if the players are going to behave rationally/logically.

 

[McDad]

I still think you need to apply logic to the solutions, you just can't plan things as if the players are going to behave rationally/logically.

No doubt. Solutions have to make sense. But people in highly emotional states are not receptive. You're married, you understand perfectly when you and your wife are in the middle of a "heated fellowship" no one is listening or processing reason and logic.