Israel vs Palestinians

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EasternVol said:
That last paragraph is pretty true. What do you think the reason(s) are?
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I don't know if I have all the reasons to that. I think the main point of what I said was true in that area prior to 1948 too (minus the rockets and tunnels part). Look at the development of Tel Aviv up to that point ( early 19th century - 1948). I think that would lead you to some of those answers.
 
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LouderVol said:
sure, again never said Israel should have taken anything or not responded, no matter how much people in this thread misconstrue what I said. I feel people are twisting my actual words because they can't argue my actual point, and want to deflect to something they can argue.

just pointing out the context and how the step up to include the entire WB, was a disportionate escalation we hadn't seen before from similar attacks. again no comment on the right or wrong of it.
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I take no issues with your line of thinking or the way you have presented it. We disagree some…probably not as much as you might think and I’m definitely coming from a biased view.
 
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LouderVol said:
I would have put it down the first time. Israel has been letting the dog bite for decades, and now suddenly want to put it down. ask them what the difference is, they are the ones who changed. I have no problem with them doing it, just saying they are the ones who are different all the sudden.

lets also not pretend like Israel's dog hasn't been biting their neighbors child too.
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The problem this time is that Israel gave them more freedom than they had ever allowed before while “managing” the situation. And the response to that freedom was an attack. They were supposed to be building infrastructure so they could be more self sufficient. They did the opposite. Can you imagine attacking the people who provide your energy and water when you were supposed to be developing your own.

Honestly my response would have been to turn everything off and leave it off until the Palestinian people brought me the leaders of Hamas, my hostages and/or intelligence on where Hamas was hiding. That’s where the bombs would fall.
Food water and a place to live for anyone with good intelligence.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The problem this time is that Israel gave them more freedom than they had ever allowed before while “managing” the situation. And the response to that freedom was an attack. They were supposed to be building infrastructure so they could be more self sufficient. They did the opposite. Can you imagine attacking the people who provide your energy and water when you were supposed to be developing your own.

Honestly my response would have been to turn everything off and leave it off until the Palestinian people brought me the leaders of Hamas, my hostages and/or intelligence on where Hamas was hiding. That’s where the bombs would fall.
Food water and a place to live for anyone with good intelligence.
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Exactly. I would have done the same, cut off all supplies, water, power and let them waller in their own mess until they surrendered.
 
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jp1 said:
I don't know if I have all the reasons to that. I think the main point of what I said was true in that area prior to 1948 too (minus the rockets and tunnels part). Look at the development of Tel Aviv up to that point ( early 19th century - 1948). I think that would lead you to some of those answers.
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Have you considered that they haven't really been in charge of their own affairs since 1948 and that their population density is so high because of refugees from 1948? Tel Aviv wouldn't be so nice if they faced the same situation.
 
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I don't want my tax dollars spent on anything in Gaza anymore. That includes any US military personal opening a port. The suffering and death going on there blame it on Hamas.
 
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EasternVol said:
How much empty land is there in both places?
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The first hit on the google search:
Just eyeballing the map, a quick estimate would be around 5 to 10 percent of the Strip being built-up area, meaning 90 to 95% of it is open area.
Couldn't find an answer about Manhattan. Central park and other parks would be my obvious answer.
 
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Pacer92 said:
That should tell you something about my age…
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the exception doesn't disprove the rule.

It was an observation and I may be wrong, but those trending younger than old farts like me seem to be in the Israel/IDF is bad groupl
 
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EasternVol said:
Have you considered that they haven't really been in charge of their own affairs since 1948 and that their population density is so high because of refugees from 1948? Tel Aviv wouldn't be so nice if they faced the same situation.
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That is part of my point. How did they compare prior to 1948?
 
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McDad said:
the exception doesn't disprove the rule.

It was an observation and I may be wrong, but those trending younger than old farts like me seem to be in the Israel/IDF is bad groupl
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Not sure what rule you’re referring to?

Can’t speak for all…and there aren’t very many of us, but I do know for sure that Ras and myself are over half a century..
 
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EasternVol said:
It's losing it's effectiveness. It's easier now for people to get more balanced coverage than the US MSM provides.
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And yet people are less tolerant of an opposing view. False information is almost to the point that even stories from major news sources can be faked and AI is just getting started.
We have people on here who still believe that the Russian dossier was real.
You’ve lost your mind if you think we’re better informed now.
We’re better indoctrinated with the information we want to believe but we’re not better educated in facts.
 
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