Israel vs Palestinians

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85SugarVol said:
Mercy…. Make up your mind on the Six Day War

First it was a big deal -

Then you brushed it to the side due to a lack of civilians murdered -

Now it’s apparently “hundreds of thousands” attacking again -


Israel, and the Jewish People, viewed the mass rape, torture, murder, and abduction of 1500+ of their people as a “threat”.

They refer to it as the “worst day for Jews since the Holocaust”.

Your attempts to downplay it are noted, though.
You’re free to view Israel as the bad guy as you please.
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where have I said they were the bad guys? you continue to lie and twist the words I have said. I have said multiple I get what Israel was doing and in their shoes I would have done it sooner.

you were the ones who asked about the civilian losses during the 6 Day War. I was answering your question about their losses. I stayed on track with the number of enemies. Because my whole point was the most lives lost isn't always going to be the worst point. especially at that scale, if it was something like the Holocaust that was actually a threat to the future of the country/people it could easily be the worst.
 
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EasternVol said:
From WWI on isn't 'forever'. When Western Europeans aren't involved the area's normally been pretty peaceful.
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lol wut?

when the Arabs/Muslims took over it was violent. when the ottomans took over it was violent. when the egyptians ruled the area it was violent. I think one of the dynasties had some peace, but the rest were very violent. Heck if you read the Bible there are at least 2 documented cases of the Jews being rounded up and scattered/moved. plenty of other conflicts mentioned. Assyrians, Babylonians, heck the Sea Peoples at the Bronze Age collapse. Not sure if the greeks count as western Europe but plenty of their violence too before the Romans showed up.

I think by peaceful you mean "I don't count it unless I can blame Western Europeans".
 
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LouderVol said:
where have I said they were the bad guys? you continue to lie and twist the words I have said. I have said multiple I get what Israel was doing and in their shoes I would have done it sooner.

you were the ones who asked about the civilian losses during the 6 Day War. I was answering your question about their losses. I stayed on track with the number of enemies. Because my whole point was the most lives lost isn't always going to be the worst point. especially at that scale, if it was something like the Holocaust that was actually a threat to the future of the country/people it could easily be the worst.
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You brought up the Six Day War. So you could talk about “hundreds of thousands” attacking. Which was silly.

I asked how many civilians died. At which point you pivoted to Israel was on the “offensive”

LouderVol said:
Israel was on the offensive in the Six Day War. they wanted to make sure Israel was protected

And Israelis & Jews & ADF & others aren’t comparing 10/7 to the Holocaust as “as bad as”.
The Israelis, & Jews, & ADF & others are saying it was the worst Day for Jews “since the Holocaust”.

And you are apparently hellbent on telling them that they are wrong.
 
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85SugarVol said:
You brought up the Six Day War. So you could talk about “hundreds of thousands” attacking. Which was silly.

I asked how many civilians died. At which point you pivoted to Israel was on the “offensive”

LouderVol said:
Israel was on the offensive in the Six Day War. they wanted to make sure Israel was protected

And Israelis & Jews & ADF & others aren’t comparing 10/7 to the Holocaust as “as bad as”.
The Israelis, & Jews, & ADF & others are saying it was the worst Day for Jews “since the Holocaust”.

And you are apparently hellbent on telling them that they are wrong.
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jesus dude you don't read. I said "IF IT WAS"like the Holocaust. not that it was.

why would Israel fighting more than 100k enemies be silly to bring up?
 
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LouderVol said:
jesus dude you don't read. I said "IF IT WAS"like the Holocaust. not that it was.

why would Israel fighting more than 100k enemies be silly to bring up?
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You’ve been in here consistently saying that the Jews “have faced much worse.”
You’ve been asking “why did it suddenly change?”
It is you that has repeatedly to try to downplay the 10/7 massacre.

A “bad” day for Jews, as they define it, is based on how many of them are slaughtered.

It is not based on how many attackers they face. Which is what makes your attempt to shoehorn the Six Day in so silly.

You clearly have some sort of weird need to diminish 10/7. It seems to dovetail nicely with your desire to blame Israel for the escalation.
 
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85SugarVol said:
You’ve been in here consistently saying that the Jews “have faced much worse.”
You’ve been asking “why did it suddenly change?”
It is you that has repeatedly to try to downplay the 10/7 massacre.

A “bad” day for Jews, as they define it, is based on how many of them are slaughtered.

It is not based on how many attackers they face. Which is what makes your attempt to shoehorn the Six Day in so silly.

You clearly have some sort of weird need to diminish 10/7. It seems to dovetail nicely with your desire to blame Israel for the escalation.
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yeah, I would contend facing off against three neighboring nations in direct military engagements would be "facing much worse". I think anyone who understands any bit of context would understand how that situation is worse. I think if you asked Israel again they would rather deal with Palestine, than an alliance of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria with support from several other countries. which is why I say the 6 Day War was worse.

never said 10/7 wasn't a bad day, just more of you twisting what I said. and the only way I have "downplayed" it is to say I don't think it actually is the worst thing they have faced. never taken away from the actual events of the day.

I 100% blame Israel for their response. Not sure if I said it in this thread or somewhere else: we usually aren't responsible for what happens to us, but we are 100% responsible for how we respond to it. that holds true to Israel.

its war, both sides are going to be in the wrong to varying degrees, but for some reason you don't want to admit that Israel can do any wrong.
 
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85SugarVol said:
And Israelis & Jews & ADF & others aren’t comparing 10/7 to the Holocaust as “as bad as”.
The Israelis, & Jews, & ADF & others are saying it was the worst Day for Jews “since the Holocaust”.

And you are apparently hellbent on telling them that they are wrong.
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They also said it was like 15 9/11s, which makes the “how DARE you not adopt everything they say” stuff not your strongest point
 
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EasternVol said:
Europeans founded and run Israel so there’s no ‘getting out of their way’.
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typically I see it pushed the other way. Israel runs Europe, usually its brought up as the reasoning they were able to get a country back in the first place, and how they are still getting support from us despite taking actions counter to our stated wants.
 
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When it comes to conflict among humans, and too often, worse things than that, the basis for it is"

Romans 3:10-12, Psalm 14:3
And so it was, and so it is, and we never learn and dadgum thing as a result.​

 
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LouderVol said:
typically I see it pushed the other way. Israel runs Europe, usually its brought up as the reasoning they were able to get a country back in the first place, and how they are still getting support from us despite taking actions counter to our stated wants.
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They do have their own set of rules.
 
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LouderVol said:
lol wut?

when the Arabs/Muslims took over it was violent. when the ottomans took over it was violent. when the egyptians ruled the area it was violent. I think one of the dynasties had some peace, but the rest were very violent. Heck if you read the Bible there are at least 2 documented cases of the Jews being rounded up and scattered/moved. plenty of other conflicts mentioned. Assyrians, Babylonians, heck the Sea Peoples at the Bronze Age collapse. Not sure if the greeks count as western Europe but plenty of their violence too before the Romans showed up.

I think by peaceful you mean "I don't count it unless I can blame Western Europeans".
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Great post... idiocy is idiocy and you did a good job calling it out :).
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah, I would contend facing off against three neighboring nations in direct military engagements would be "facing much worse". I think anyone who understands any bit of context would understand how that situation is worse. I think if you asked Israel again they would rather deal with Palestine, than an alliance of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria with support from several other countries. which is why I say the 6 Day War was worse.

never said 10/7 wasn't a bad day, just more of you twisting what I said. and the only way I have "downplayed" it is to say I don't think it actually is the worst thing they have faced. never taken away from the actual events of the day.

I 100% blame Israel for their response. Not sure if I said it in this thread or somewhere else: we usually aren't responsible for what happens to us, but we are 100% responsible for how we respond to it. that holds true to Israel.

its war, both sides are going to be in the wrong to varying degrees, but for some reason you don't want to admit that Israel can do any wrong.
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The Six Day was an absolute rout. The Israelis weren’t in danger. It was a Turkey shoot.

Yom Kippur War would be a better example for you to stumble through.

Yes, you have consistently downplayed 10/7.
Yes, you have consistently asked incredulously - WhAt’s tHe BiG dEaL???

We know why - you want to rail against Israel for their response.

So rail against Israel. You don’t need a contrived reason to do so.
 
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85SugarVol said:
The Six Day was an absolute rout. The Israelis weren’t in danger. It was a Turkey shoot.

Yom Kippur War would be a better example for you to stumble through.

Yes, you have consistently downplayed 10/7.
Yes, you have consistently asked incredulously - WhAt’s tHe BiG dEaL???

We know why - you want to rail against Israel for their response.

So rail against Israel. You don’t need a contrived reason to do so.
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That may have been the result but it wasn't the thought going into the war. Israel was attacked without warning by an Alliance of multiple nations with numeric superiority to Israeli forces. Israel beat the odds and turned it into a rout because the enemy wasn't what people thought on paper. That final point sounds familiar regarding a current conflict.(*cough* Russia *cough*).
 
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NashVol11 said:
They also said it was like 15 9/11s, which makes the “how DARE you not adopt everything they say” stuff not your strongest point
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Yes, as a % of their population wiped out in a single terrorist attack.

Yes, I realize you don’t like the characterization.
 
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volbound1700 said:
That may have been the result but it wasn't the thought going into the war. Israel was attacked without warning by an Alliance of multiple nations with numeric superiority to Israeli forces. Israel beat the odds and turned it into a rout because the enemy wasn't what people thought on paper. That final point sounds familiar regarding a current conflict.(*cough* Russia *cough*).
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You might want to read up on the Six Day.
 
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LouderVol said:
lol wut?

when the Arabs/Muslims took over it was violent. when the ottomans took over it was violent. when the egyptians ruled the area it was violent. I think one of the dynasties had some peace, but the rest were very violent. Heck if you read the Bible there are at least 2 documented cases of the Jews being rounded up and scattered/moved. plenty of other conflicts mentioned. Assyrians, Babylonians, heck the Sea Peoples at the Bronze Age collapse. Not sure if the greeks count as western Europe but plenty of their violence too before the Romans showed up.

I think by peaceful you mean "I don't count it unless I can blame Western Europeans".
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No, I mean peaceful compared to say Europe or SE Asia over the same period of time.
 
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