Israel vs Palestinians

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#19,152
Orangeslice13 said:
No… it was peaceful and loving the entire time.
There’s only been a problem since those bloodthirsty Zionist zombies took over in 1948. Before that it was a utopian dream
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It was a lot more peaceful before the Zionists started arriving in large numbers, that's true.
 
#19,153
#19,153
EasternVol said:
This goes back to a comment "There was a constant state of armed conflict since the early…..forever" which I don't think hold true for the region. It has seen its share of invasions by Europeans and some others but I don't see the continuity of warfare there that Europe has seen.
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Stop.
We’re not doing serious conversation right now. We’re busy acting like children
 
#19,157
#19,157
Orangeslice13 said:
This is a perfect example of how stupid you are.
I answered him 2 times.
Absolutely everyone including EV knew what I meant. EV played dumb. You just are.
Thanks for making it obvious on the first example so I didn’t have to go line by line on things you would not understand anyway.


Once again…..you don’t want to talk about the actual topic. You want to argue about irrelevance
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You ducked a few times but you didn't answer.
 
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#19,161
EasternVol said:
We have a say. It's a condition of the aid.
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Damnit.
Ok I’ll switch back to serious

Exactly, we don’t need a say. We should not have one. As you’ve pointed out, our say, or people like us, have brought this situation to where it is now. Serious question, what evidence do you see that we can do anything outside of making it worse? They are a sovereign nation. They have wealth. If they want to fight this war then they should pay for it. It’s not our responsibility and we don’t have the money to throw at it. Honestly an argument can be made that our aid is making the problem worse. Would Israel be fighting the war this way instead of the way you have suggested they should, if they didn’t have our money?
 
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EasternVol said:
Of all the conversations in this thread, this is an odd one to say 'acting like children'.
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I’m not acting.
I am a large child. I sometimes enjoy the crazy.
You’re an interesting person to me. You can go either way. We can be serious or be childish. I usually let you take the lead on that.
 
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EasternVol said:
It was a lot more peaceful before the Zionists started arriving in large numbers, that's true.
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I think that would depend on your perspective.
It’s true that Hebrews didn’t have the numbers to stand up to persecution before “Zionism “ began in the 1800s. That doesn’t mean the Jews were loving their treatment. Evidence suggests the opposite

Edit: late 1800s. 1897. Actually when my ancestor migrated here due to antisemitism in Europe.
 
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#19,165
Orangeslice13 said:
Damnit.
Ok I’ll switch back to serious

Exactly, we don’t need a say. We should not have one. As you’ve pointed out, our say, or people like us, have brought this situation to where it is now. Serious question, what evidence do you see that we can do anything outside of making it worse? They are a sovereign nation. They have wealth. If they want to fight this war then they should pay for it. It’s not our responsibility and we don’t have the money to throw at it. Honestly an argument can be made that our aid is making the problem worse. Would Israel be fighting the war this way instead of the way you have suggested they should, if they didn’t have our money?
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We have certainly done our share to bring the situation to what we have now. If we want, we should be able to leverage our aid for Israel's cooperation in seeking a tenable settlement and end to the hostilities. That's not evidence but it's plausible. Of course if we want a tenable settlement then we have to act as an honest broker, which is something we haven't tried since 1956 or so.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I think that would depend on your perspective.
It’s true that Hebrews didn’t have the numbers to stand up to persecution before “Zionism “ began in the 1800s. That doesn’t mean the Jews were loving their treatment. Evidence suggests the opposite

Edit: late 1800s. 1897. Actually when my ancestor migrated here due to antisemitism in Europe.
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That's valid. Being a minority anywhere is seldom fun.
 
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EasternVol said:
We have certainly done our share to bring the situation to what we have now. If we want, we should be able to leverage our aid for Israel's cooperation in seeking a tenable settlement and end to the hostilities. That's not evidence but it's plausible. Of course if we want a tenable settlement then we have to act as an honest broker, which is something we haven't tried since 1956 or so.
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I get what you’re saying.
What I’m saying is it’s none of our business. And we shouldn’t be using money to try and buy a situation as we clearly have no idea what the right answer is.
 
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#19,171
EasternVol said:
If you know what Zionism is then you have your answer.
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I’ll add context

Modern Zionism was officially established as a political organization by Theodor Herzl in 1897. A Jewish journalist and political activist from Austria, Herzl believed that the Jewish population couldn't survive if it didn't have a nation of its own. Due to the sharp rise in antisemitism around the world.


Looks like he was right.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’ll add context

Modern Zionism was officially established as a political organization by Theodor Herzl in 1897. A Jewish journalist and political activist from Austria, Herzl believed that the Jewish population couldn't survive if it didn't have a nation of its own. Due to the sharp rise in antisemitism around the world.


Looks like he was right.
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There are about as many Jews in America as in Israel, so it looks like he wasn’t right about how the population “couldn’t survive”
 
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