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Orangeslice13 said:
Except he’s wrong.
That’s exactly how they reacted and it was shown everywhere.
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"They" who? Everyone? Were you there or just talking out of your ass again? Does this have anything to do with the current conflict whatsoever other than propaganda? All questions that will undoubtedly be avoided

Annette Krüger Spitta of the German public broadcaster ARD's TV magazine Panorama states that unaired footage shows the street surrounding the celebration in Jerusalem was quiet. Furthermore, she states that a man in a white T-shirt incited the children and gathered people together for the shot. The Panorama report, dated September 20, 2001, quotes Communications Professor Martin Löffelholz explaining that in the images one sees jubilant Palestinian children and several adults, but there is no indication that their pleasure is related to the attack. The woman seen cheering stated afterwards that she was offered cake if she celebrated on camera, and was frightened when she saw the pictures on television afterward.
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
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Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001

THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Just getting it built is problematic. The military is already pushing back saying they likely won’t put people at risk from attack to build it. I believe the fear is outside interference from Hezbollah or the Hitoshi pirates.

Edit Houthi lol at autocorrect. I’m leaving it.
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I was about to say...... When did Japanese pirates enter the fray?
 
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NashVol11 said:
"They" who? Everyone? Were you there or just talking out of your ass again? Does this have anything to do with the current conflict whatsoever other than propaganda? All questions that will undoubtedly be avoided
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65% supported the attack according to the same wiki article you’re quoting. But yeah, I’m sure every picture/video of them celebrating is in some way fake.

You’re as bad as the election deniers right now.
 
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Hamas declared war on Israel. Between 1939 and the end of 1941, Germany declared war on Great Britain, the Soviet Union, and the United States. As a result, besides the incredible loss of military lives, somewhere between 2 and 4 Million German civilians died as well from air raids, allied ground operations and other causes. There were no calls for an immediate cease fire, no calls for the allies to pause operations and deliver humanitarian aid, no calls for any relief unless the Germans surrendered unconditionally. The same applies here. Hamas CHOSE war, and they got war. Israel is under no obligation whatsoever to listen to lectures from anyone else about under what conditions they end this war. Hamas could end it tomorrow by releasing the hostages and laying down their arms.
War sucks. It is hell on earth. But once it starts, the attacked party is well within their rights to see it through to its conclusion. The civilians of Gaza are suffering. The fault for their suffering however lies squarely at the feet of the government they themselves elected and that chose to start an aggressive offensive war in direct violation of an already existing cease fire. The very fact that Israel has so far conducted their response in such a manner as to have only caused 30k casualties (assuming we even believe this number given its source is Hamas) shows that Israel is conducting this war with more care and precision than almost any other nation on earth would do under similar circumstances. Believe me, if the Israelis were out for “genocide“ that number would be much MUCH higher
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001

THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.
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Goebbels would be so proud of you.
This is some would class propaganda
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Hamas declared war on Israel. Between 1939 and the end of 1941, Germany declared war on Great Britain, the Soviet Union, and the United States. As a result, besides the incredible loss of military lives, somewhere between 2 and 4 Million German civilians died as well from air raids, allied ground operations and other causes. There were no calls for an immediate cease fire, no calls for the allies to pause operations and deliver humanitarian aid, no calls for any relief unless the Germans surrendered unconditionally. The same applies here. Hamas CHOSE war, and they got war. Israel is under no obligation whatsoever to listen to lectures from anyone else about under what conditions they end this war. Hamas could end it tomorrow by releasing the hostages and laying down their arms.
War sucks. It is hell on earth. But once it starts, the attacked party is well within their rights to see it through to its conclusion. The civilians of Gaza are suffering. The fault for their suffering however lies squarely at the feet of the government they themselves elected and that chose to start an aggressive offensive war in direct violation of an already existing cease fire. The very fact that Israel has so far conducted their response in such a manner as to have only caused 30k casualties (assuming we even believe this number given its source is Hamas) shows that Israel is conducting this war with more care and precision than almost any other nation on earth would do under similar circumstances. Believe me, if the Israelis were out for “genocide“ that number would be much MUCH higher
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The IDF killing 30k civilians in 5 months is not "conducting this war with more care and precision than almost any other nation on earth would do under similar circumstances" when you have a 2 year conflict in Ukraine that not even our captured media can say has substantially more. The example of conducting war with "care and precision" is with the Russian Federation.
 
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So Biden, says we won't put American's troops in danger to build a port in Gaza. Just how will it be built without putting American's at risk?

Hamas isn't going to let the American military that close without firing on them.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
So Biden, says we won't put American's troops in danger to build a port in Gaza. Just how will it be built without putting American's at risk?

Hamas isn't going to let the American military that close without firing on them.
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Hamas will welcome the port, they'll steal all the supplies delivered to it then attack it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The IDF killing 30k civilians in 5 months is not "conducting this war with more care and precision than almost any other nation on earth would do under similar circumstances" when you have a 2 year conflict in Ukraine that not even our captured media can say has substantially more. The example of conducting war with "care and precision" is with the Russian Federation.
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Who said ANYTHING about Russia and what in heaven‘s name do they have to do with a discussion of Israel and Hamas? There are plenty of threads already existing for praising or condemning Vladimir the Terrible.
Your post makes about as much sense as when someone is talking about UT vs Bama football and some Vandy fan injects „anchor down“
And no, the traditionally sloppy Russian/Soviet/Russin Federation military has been known for the past 400 years for nothing but feeding its own troops as well as the civilian population of its „conquests“ into a Veritable wood chipper. Russia is to precision warfare what a bull is to a China shop. Some of us know the history of Stalingrad as well as the final battle for Berlin.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
So Biden, says we won't put American's troops in danger to build a port in Gaza. Just how will it be built without putting American's at risk?

Hamas isn't going to let the American military that close without firing on them.
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Why can't the humanitarian aid just be driven through Rafah? Doesn't even need to be any US action.

And I think the odds are greater that the Israelis would fire on US troops over Hamas.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Who said ANYTHING about Russia and what in heaven‘s name do they have to do with a discussion of Israel and Hamas?
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It has to do with your rant about "care and precision" with regards to civilian casualties. If you call 5 months and 30k dead care and precision, it means you have no basic understanding of what is going on in another conflict for a far longer period of time...
 
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