Israel vs Palestinians

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#19,951
n_huffhines said:
The irony.

> 30k dead Palestinian civilians. WTF is happening in your brain that allows you this level of cognitive dissonance?
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LMFAO

“I’m going to give you the total number killed, proclaim they’re all civilians, and then claim the problem is you and your cognitive dissonance”

This is why you’re a joke
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You tax dollars are funding a Holocaust in Gaza at the moment.
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Hamas could admit the dead hostages and release those still held............

But that would uncover an entirely new set of problems for Hamas, both internal and international. So they choose not to and let their people suffer. Hamas had all the reason and responsibility to bring this to an end..... But it would mean they lose all funding and control..........so they didn't

I detest what is going on in Gaza, but Israel's blame is less than what Hamas carries....... But Israel gets all the blame. I don't understand how people can't see how ironic holding Israel supremely responsible in this situation is.

Israel has all the power and if their intent was to kill all of Gaza they certainly have the means, but they have slow played their response hoping Hamas would meet their demands.
 
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EasternVol said:
Embassies aren't legitimate targets, legitimate as in legal. Retaliation would be as likely regardless of the attack location.
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They are when they are used for military purposes. At the very least the legalities certainly are no longer black and white.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Sincerely asking, what source would you believe? I mean a source that would actually report on something like this.

The investigation by the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), summarized in a report seen by Reuters, said its personnel did not record any exchange of fire across the border between Israel and Lebanon for more than 40 minutes before the Israeli Merkava tank opened fire.

BTW, it was a Reuters journalist who was killed.
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I believe that.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Not specifically for Christians. People of many practices and beliefs. But sure, dey was white.

Not a Christian State.
Founded by Christians.
Founded for Christians.
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A big share of Israelis aren't religious. They have their messianics too. It's ethnic. Same with the US and Anglo Saxons in late 18th century America. Look at Australia and New Zealand too, founded for British people.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is getting out of hand and it's indefensible. In one incident, the IDF fired two tank rounds at clearly identified journalists in an open field who were all alone. 90 journalists dead so far. These are war crimes. They are killing journalists in Gaza and banning new ones from entering. This is our money at work.

www.aljazeera.com

Watching the watchdogs: Israel’s attacks on journalists are backfiring

Israel is killing Palestinian journalists, banning foreign media from reporting on Gaza – and losing credibility.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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I'm not sure Al Jazeera can be trusted. But if correct as reported, that is very wrong.
 
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LouderVol said:
There are going to be some real ones that are killed as well. its war.

you shouldn't pretend like everyone that Israel kills is actually a threat or actually aiding Hamas; just like they shouldn't pretend everyone claiming to be a medic/aide worker/journalist is actually one.
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These are the people that pretend 30,000 Innocent Palestinian Citizens have been murdered in Gaza - Not a single terrorist among them…

“Palestinian Journalist” is gonna catch side eye the same way “Palestinian Medic” does - and for good reason.

And if you’re a real journalist, running with Hamas, you’re an idiot.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Shouldn’t Hamas update the made up 30k number eventually. It has been stuck there for months so I guess IDF has killed zero people since January 😉
And if the most advanced military in the region that possesses absolute air superiority and nuclear weapons REALLY wanted to commit genocide, only 30k casualties in six months is what inwould call pretty incompetent.
Now shall we discuss „cognitive dissonance“ further? It seems like you are intimately familiar with the concept after all 😂
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What "real" number would change your mind about anything?
 
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EasternVol said:
A big share of Israelis aren't religious. They have their messianics too. It's ethnic. Same with the US and Anglo Saxons in late 18th century America. Look at Australia and New Zealand too, founded for British people.
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A minority aren't religious. Something like 75% identify as Jewish.

It is The Jewish State.
It is unique.

There is no “The Christian State”. Is there a “The Muslim State”?
 
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n_huffhines said:
What "real" number would change your mind about anything?
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I don’t know. Out of a population of probably 60 million, the Germans probably suffered 2 million civilian causalities between 1939 and 1945 and no one (outside of Germany) complained much.
You attack another country like Hamas did on 7 October and you are going to lose some civilians. The Nazi party was responsible for the German dead, not the allies. Hamas is responsible for dead Gazans, not Israel.
War is H3LL. Don’t start one if you don’t want the consequences.
So we should agree that if Israel has actually ONLY killed 30k (and I don’t buy that number at all) in six months of Warfare they are actually being very careful and precise compared to what we did in WWII
 
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85SugarVol said:
A minority aren't religious. Something like 75% identify as Jewish.

It is The Jewish State.
It is unique.

There is no “The Christian State”. Is there a “The Muslim State”?
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Ethnically Jewish, yes. Not religiously Jewish. It's not unique.
There used to be Christian states but most all have dropped the state religion thing in practice.
There are several states with Islam as the official religion, founded along ethnic lines. Same with states which are officially Buddhist founded along ethnic lines.
 
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KB5252 said:
When we have a senior military leader of one of our elite fighting forces killed in the embassy of one of our proxy nations check in with me to see if I'm surprised or outraged.
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You mean the embassy of one of our proxy nations in DC, or our embassy in one of our proxy nations? If it's the former I think we'd all be at least outraged. If it's the latter we may well be outraged too depending on the circumstances.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I don’t know. Out of a population of probably 60 million, the Germans probably suffered 2 million civilian causalities between 1939 and 1945 and no one (outside of Germany) complained much.
You attack another country like Hamas did on 7 October and you are going to lose some civilians. The Nazi party was responsible for the German dead, not the allies. Hamas is responsible for dead Gazans, not Israel.
War is H3LL. Don’t start one if you don’t want the consequences.
So we should agree that if Israel has actually ONLY killed 30k (and I don’t buy that number at all) in six months of Warfare they are actually being very careful and precise compared to what we did in WWII
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No, we shouldn't agree. A completely ridiculous response and you didn't answer the question.

What is the basis for saying 30k means they are being very careful? Wars from 80 years ago have no bearing.
 
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EasternVol said:
You mean the embassy of one of our proxy nations in DC, or our embassy in one of our proxy nations? If it's the former I think we'd all be at least outraged. If it's the latter we may well be outraged too depending on the circumstances.
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If it was here, the US....... absolutely. Remember, we don't conduct business that way.

If it were abroad and we had a senior military leader meeting with proxy terrorist who target everyone it deems enemies..... Even civilians, I can promise you I would not be outraged.
 
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EasternVol said:
Ethnically Jewish, yes. Not religiously Jewish. It's not unique.
There used to be Christian states but most all have dropped the state religion thing in practice.
There are several states with Islam as the official religion, founded along ethnic lines. Same with states which are officially Buddhist founded along ethnic lines.
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This is just Wiki, so tifwiw -

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The Jewish State is unique. It is a singular state for a major religion.

There is no Christian State. And even when there were, they were multiple.

There are many Muslim dominant states. I know of none that proclaim to be The Muslim State.
 
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85SugarVol said:
These are the people that pretend 30,000 Innocent Palestinian Citizens have been murdered in Gaza - Not a single terrorist among them…

“Palestinian Journalist” is gonna catch side eye the same way “Palestinian Medic” does - and for good reason.

And if you’re a real journalist, running with Hamas, you’re an idiot.
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they are actually doing their jobs. plenty of war-time journalists out there, plenty followed around the Taliban during Afghanistan.

if anything it should be applauded, having them imbedded on both sides of the conflict is the only way were are actually going to know the truth. not that will happen; but its better than just blindly ignoring war crimes on your sides part. its kinda the whole point of journalists, tell us the uncomfortable truths, break down our preconceived notions, and these people are literally putting their lives on the line to do so.

the opposite also exists, I have seen plenty of people claiming the IDF has killed 30,000 members of Hamas. they will blindly make any claim they can to defend the actions of the IDF before one iota of information comes out. its not a one sided problem, which just goes back to why we need real journalists over there. blindly killing journalists just because they physically on the wrong side of line serves no purpose but to lie.
 
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LouderVol said:
they are actually doing their jobs. plenty of war-time journalists out there, plenty followed around the Taliban during Afghanistan.

if anything it should be applauded, having them imbedded on both sides of the conflict is the only way were are actually going to know the truth. not that will happen; but its better than just blindly ignoring war crimes on your sides part. its kinda the whole point of journalists, tell us the uncomfortable truths, break down our preconceived notions, and these people are literally putting their lives on the line to do so.

the opposite also exists, I have seen plenty of people claiming the IDF has killed 30,000 members of Hamas. they will blindly make any claim they can to defend the actions of the IDF before one iota of information comes out. its not a one sided problem, which just goes back to why we need real journalists over there. blindly killing journalists just because they physically on the wrong side of line serves no purpose but to lie.
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Where are these journalists presenting an unbiased, sterile view of the ongoings from both sides?

I see hired guns on both sides, doing the bidding of those they serve.

Who are the ones calling it down the middle? Got any names?
 
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