Israel vs Palestinians

[NashVol11]

LOL. An authoritarian state with the blood of 33k dead innocents on their hands is just casually calling American college students "terrorists" for protesting them.

Definitely a normal thing for an official government account to post

 

[NashVol11]

That's very obviously not Columbia lol

 

[NashVol11]

They should certainly allow counter protests. Him getting in the middle of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators and moving counter to their flow wouldn't be much of a protest though; it's more a provocation.

Every pro-Palestine protest has a bunch of pro-Israel people trying to antagonize and start fights, then play the victim if someone so much as frowns at them. Haven't seen nearly as much of that in the opposite direction

 

[EasternVol]

Definitely a normal thing for an official government account to post

More propaganda to keep their followers riled and to divert attention from what they themselves are doing.

 

[EasternVol]

That's very obviously not Columbia lol

NYU? It's one of them book learning places.

 

[hog88]

Not at all bullsh.t. Civilians are civilians. Non-combatants are non-combatants. Women and children are not allowable targets unless they're bearing arms with mal intent. Neither side gets a pass on their war atrocities.

Are terrorists not civilians?

 

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[theFallGuy]

Pro-terror radical launched 2-hour anti-Israel tirade at Columbia University event weeks before protests exploded: ‘Nothing wrong with being a Hamas fighter’

Khaled Barakat zoomed in to tell the hardest of hard core students about “resistance.” But he didn’t mention he is banned from Germany for antisemitism.

nypost.com

 

[EasternVol]

Are terrorists not civilians?

They're combatants.

 

[EasternVol]

She said nothing in support of hamas. Do you even read what you post?

 

[KB5252]

They're combatants.

Even if they're unarmed at the time? And how do you tell the difference?

It's kind of what makes them effective terrorists isn't it?

 

[LouderVol]

He made the claim. There’s nothing wrong with pointing out that his claim is an outright lie that 33k “innocent” have died. If you don’t like that, you’ll be alright.

he made the claim, you refuted, he asked you for the real numbers, and then you got childish instead of offering a legitimate argument.

I think we are well past 33k in total dead, so to me 30k dead innocents sounds quiet reasonable. IIRC we were past 30k total deaths back in early March sometimes. I am still reading about plenty of fighting and bombings and various attacks, so I don't know why the deaths would have stopped.

also war deaths are incredibly difficult to really account for, even in the post war peace. which is why I said you should have offered some relative comparison, because currently your argument to his 30k number consists of "nuh uh". if its an outright lie, it should be easy to prove, so a link or a quote with some actual backing would have gone a long way to back it up. right now we have two opinions going around in circles with no one advancing the discussion.

 

[hog88]

They're combatants.

Ahh, so you agree that the 33K innocents number being thrown around is complete BS.

 

[EasternVol]

Even if they're unarmed at the time? And how do you tell the difference?

It's kind of what makes them effective terrorists isn't it?

Are you saying it's okay to kill all males over a certain age because a small percentage are killers?

 

[LouderVol]

Even if they're unarmed at the time? And how do you tell the difference?

It's kind of what makes them effective terrorists isn't it?

what did they do to earn the moniker "terrorist"? was it just the lazy 1, 2, 3, argument here a page or two back calling all these protestors terrorists?

if they have done something violent, they are terrorists whether or not they are armed at the time. just like a soldier isn't just a soldier when he is armed, a murder isn't a murderer just when they hold the murder weapon.

and to the bolded, killing indiscriminately is a problem for both sides, but for some reason its only a problem when you point out that Israel does it TOO. Israel is allowed to be at war, but Hamas is not.

 

[EasternVol]

Ahh, so you agree that the 33K innocents number being thrown around is complete BS.

The reported death toll is BS only in that it's lower than the real count. It just reflects recovered bodies recorded by the health department. A lot of bodies haven't been recovered and since the IDF's been 'neutralizing' hospitals the record keeping has slipped.

 

[theFallGuy]

It could have all stopped a long time ago. All Hamas had to do is give back the hostages. Every death that happens because they refused is on Hamas.


All 33k. They don’t care how many “Palestinians” died. Hamas was caught shooting their own people for trying to evacuate.

It could've all been stopped by simply not going into Israel to begin with and instigating a war.

 

[hog88]

The reported death toll is BS only in that it's lower than the real count. It just reflects eecovered bodies recorded by the health department. A lot of bodies haven't been recovered and since the IDF's been 'neutralizing' hospitals the record keeping has slipped.

The same health department that has been caught in numerous lies?

 

[EasternVol]

The same health department that has been caught in numerous lies?

There's just the one. Israel apparently accepts their numbers as accurate.
Don't forget, both sides lie like dogs.

 

[McDad]

There's just the one. Israel apparently accepts their numbers as accurate.
Don't forget, both sides lie like dogs.

Have you shared how you decide which information you believe and which you discard coming from known liars?

 

[Sandman 423]

Every pro-Palestine protest has a bunch of pro-Israel people trying to antagonize and start fights, then play the victim if someone so much as frowns at them. Haven't seen nearly as much of that in the opposite direction

I am going to go out on a limb and say you haven't seen anything either way.

 

[Vol8188]

Not at all bullsh.t. Civilians are civilians. Non-combatants are non-combatants. Women and children are not allowable targets unless they're bearing arms with mal intent. Neither side gets a pass on their war atrocities.

Nash shared an article about Israel bombing Hamas members in their homes at night with their families.

Surely you accept that both Hamas members and their families have agency, right? Meaning they could choose not to sleep under the same roof at night as their families if they wished. But instead they do.

If I brought my wife with me to Afghanistan and she died during one of the many rocket/mortar attacks we experienced, that would be on both myself and her.

Palestinians have agency. That seems to be the biggest place we disagree. You seem to think they’re all helpless

 

[KB5252]

Are you saying it's okay to kill all males over a certain age because a small percentage are killers?

No, are you saying you can only kill terrorists if they have weapons in hand?

 

[Vol8188]

he made the claim, you refuted, he asked you for the real numbers, and then you got childish instead of offering a legitimate argument.

I think we are well past 33k in total dead, so to me 30k dead innocents sounds quiet reasonable. IIRC we were past 30k total deaths back in early March sometimes. I am still reading about plenty of fighting and bombings and various attacks, so I don't know why the deaths would have stopped.

also war deaths are incredibly difficult to really account for, even in the post war peace. which is why I said you should have offered some relative comparison, because currently your argument to his 30k number consists of "nuh uh". if its an outright lie, it should be easy to prove, so a link or a quote with some actual backing would have gone a long way to back it up. right now we have two opinions going around in circles with no one advancing the discussion.

At no point did he ask me anything. He quoted me a total of 0 times

No one knows the real number, but it’s obviously not 100%. I don’t have to know the real number to realize 100% as he’s claiming, is wrong.

Idk how much your wife weighs but if one person said 5 tons and another said 150, I’m smart enough to know 5 tons isn’t the side telling me the truth.