Israel vs Palestinians

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As we all know very well we are dealing with a guerilla warfare campaign in a densely populated environment against a conventional uniformed army.

With those facts established how would you as a military leader conduct the campaign given these difficulties:

Your enemy is not uniformed nor fights conventionally.

They surround themselves with their family and hide among larger groups.

If you send your troops in you may lose 20-40 100's attempting to secure or neutralize a single target and still rack up a high collateral damage among civilians.

If you strike using precision munitions you still rack up high civilian counts of collateral damage.

I may not like it but if Israeli leadership deems it necessary to eliminate Hamas the current course of action as far as military campaign makes sense.

As far as aid goes this is where I have a little more difficulty with the Israeli leadership. But then again this isn't an uncommon tactic in warfare, it's an objective in every conflict but easier to accomplish in this conflict.

My serious question to others is what would you different? And if my logic is flawed I would like to hear your take and consider another perspective.
 
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jp1 said:
My question was mainly for @EasternVol . Him playing coy with his question of how Hamas benefits from the conflict with Israel.
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It's a very simple question and you call it playing coy. That's some mental gymnastics. Why don't you try to answer it?
How would their source of funding relate to the question?
 
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EasternVol said:
It's a very simple question and you call it playing coy. That's some mental gymnastics. Why don't you try to answer it?
How would their source of funding relate to the question?
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Nice sidestep of the question. I guess one can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink.
 
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Simple solution for keeping Gaza civilians safe. Israel should set up peace talks with Hamas leadership. Bring all their "soldiers". Let's get on the same page and hammer out a deal once and for all. Once everyone is in attendance, bomb the place to smithereens. No civilian casualties.
Blessed are the peacemakers and I am one.
 
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McDad said:
Simple solution for keeping Gaza civilians safe. Israel should set up peace talks with Hamas leadership. Bring all their "soldiers". Let's get on the same page and hammer out a deal once and for all. Once everyone is in attendance, bomb the place to smithereens. No civilian casualties.
Blessed are the peacemakers and I am one.
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Yeah, I don't see what Israel is accomplishing right now other than pissing the world off on them. Palestine/Hamas are clearly in the wrong but all your doing is giving red meat to their PR machine at the moment.

Better to use your special forces/Mossad to take out the Hamas leadership.
 
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jp1 said:
Nice sidestep of the question. I guess one can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink.
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I guess so. I don't know in detail and it doesn't make a bit of difference as regards the question. Do you know the answer to the question? Other than 'because it does' of course.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Yeah, I don't see what Israel is accomplishing right now other than pissing the world off on them. Palestine/Hamas are clearly in the wrong but all your doing is giving red meat to their PR machine at the moment.

Better to use your special forces/Mossad to take out the Hamas leadership.
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Special forces aren't best suited for operations in densely populated urban environments. They depend heavily on the element of surprise and overwhelming short barrages of intense fire in combat scenarios. So much of that is very difficult to accomplish in populated areas for various reasons.

Specialized urban warfare requires a slightly different skill set that many special forces operators would be successful at though.

And mossad is very involved in tracking and ultimately selecting targets.

The real challenge is finding and flushing out HAMAS. Rafah is their last stronghold. Those who could buy their way out have left and are in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan.
 
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KB5252 said:
Special forces aren't best suited for operations in densely populated urban environments. They depend heavily on the element of surprise and overwhelming short barrages of intense fire in combat scenarios. So much of that is very difficult to accomplish in populated areas for various reasons.

Specialized urban warfare requires a slightly different skill set that many special forces operators would be successful at though.

And mossad is very involved in tracking and ultimately selecting targets.

The real challenge is finding and flushing out HAMAS. Rafah is their last stronghold. Those who could buy their way out have left and are in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan.
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I am not saying deploy them permanent. I am thinking more like insertions once they identify their locations versus going house to house and occupying the full city.
 
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I remain unconvinced this will work out.
If Israel agrees then Hamas will not.
We shall see


www.nbcnews.com

Netanyahu aide says Israel agreed to Biden's cease-fire plan for Gaza

Ophir Falk, chief foreign policy adviser to Netanyahu, said that it was “a deal we agreed to — it’s not a good deal but we dearly want the hostages released, all of them.”
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
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saw this posted..

“It seems that the world is asking Israel to accept a cease fire and compromise with Hamas to end the civilian casualties.

Why not demand unconditional surrender by Hamas and release of all of the hostages? The shooting stops immediately.

Hamas started this, they can end it. Today.”

Such political BS..screw Biden.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
History begins on October 7th, 2023...

Anything prior to that is antisemitism.
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Hamas didn’t exist in 1948. Remember.
This war is with Hamas who attacked Israel. Not Palestine. There is no Palestine. They had 15 years to make a nation of their own. They built weapons instead of infrastructure. They attacked Israel not the other way around. They now hide behind innocent civilians. Hamas is the enemy of the Palestinians.

In the conflict between Hamas and Israel anything other than Hamas is irrelevant.
Your Muslim strategy of trying to be a myrter is noted.
 
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