Israel vs Palestinians

[FLVOL_79]

The new left wing Nazi's and the gays celebrating pride month


I love watching their infighting.

 

[EasternVol]

The war did. Your false equivalency is irrelevant

'Tain't false equivalency. You sure do misuse a lot of words.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Look it up and see if you can figure it out.
I’m skeptical that you can. Look that up too

 

[82_VOL_83]

Even the nit wits in here have openly said they hold Israel to a standard that’s different than the standard they have for Hamas. They think Israel is more responsible for the people of their enemies than the government those people elected. They throw out ignorance and accusations like “ethnic cleansing” complaining about Israel while ignoring their team who has been demanding it for decades. Hamas openly states it as its goal…..but sure, Israel is the problem.

That’s not gymnastics…..that’s willfully ignorant

I'm still waiting on an answer why this is genocide. Haven't gotten that yet....

 

[EasternVol]

Look it up and see if you can figure it out.
I’m skeptical that you can. Look that up too

You I'd be skeptical of. It's not false equivalency as much as you want it to be. The war didn't start in October 2023. The ongoing conflict is a continuation of micro and macro aggressions going back years.

 

[EasternVol]

I'm still waiting on an answer why this is genocide. Haven't gotten that yet....

Look up what the UN defines genocide as. It's not what we generally think of when we hear the term.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You I'd be skeptical of. It's not false equivalency as much as you want it to be. The war didn't start in October 2023. The ongoing conflict is a continuation of micro and macro aggressions going back years.

May be. But there was an active cease fire in place on 06 Oct 2023. Please tell me which side BROKE said cease fire, REGARDLESS of any past history.

 

[EasternVol]

May be. But there was an active cease fire in place on 06 Oct 2023. Please tell me which side BROKE said cease fire, REGARDLESS of any past history.

That would be hamas. Of course breaking a cease fire isn't the same as starting a war.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Look up what the UN defines genocide as. It's not what we generally think of when we hear the term.

Definition​

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide​

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Meets none of these. That aren't a nation so that aren't national, they aren't ethnically separated....generic Arabs, they aren't a specific race. They aren't being eliminated for their sect of Islam. Therefore they don't qualify for the 5 reasons.

 

[Vol8188]

Look up what the UN defines genocide as. It's not what we generally think of when we hear the term.

Instead of your typical game of “fetch”, how about you tell us which specific aspect of that definition is being met. I’ll wait

 

[OrangeTsar]

That would be hamas. Of course breaking a cease fire isn't the same as starting a war.

Right, it is merely REstarting a war. In this case by butchering civilians.

 

[EasternVol]

Definition​

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide​

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Meets none of these. That aren't a nation so that aren't national, they aren't ethnically separated....generic Arabs, they aren't a specific race. They aren't being eliminated for their sect of Islam. Therefore they don't qualify for the 5 reasons.

They're an ethnic group. They're not Jordanian, not Lebanese, not Egyptian, etc.; they're Palestinian. They're Christian and Muslim so yeah religion probably wouldn't apply.
Actions 1, 2, and 3 look to apply. Let's see what the ICJ says.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You I'd be skeptical of. It's not false equivalency as much as you want it to be. The war didn't start in October 2023. The ongoing conflict is a continuation of micro and macro aggressions going back years.

The war started in October 23.

 

[EasternVol]

Instead of your typical game of “fetch”, how about you tell us which specific aspect of that definition is being met. I’ll wait

You can read all about it. There's plenty of reporting on the ICJ case.

 

[Orangeslice13]

There is no unique DNA to a “Palestinian people “.
They are Arabs and most closely related to Jordanians.

 

[EasternVol]

Right, it is merely REstarting a war. In this case by butchering civilians.

This time hamas did it. Both sides have done it over the years. Neither side is justified in doing it.

 

[EasternVol]

There is no unique DNA to a “Palestinian people “.
They are Arabs and most closely related to Jordanians.

And yet they're not Jordanians.

 

[Orangeslice13]

And yet they're not Jordanians.

Well there is no distinct group that can be genetically identified as “Palestinian” there’s never been a sovereign nation known as “ Palestine”. So there is no actual Palestinian people. If we’re calling the area Palestine. Then I , being a Hebrew, have more of a claim on the title than they do.
I can trace family ownership of land to the 1600s with relatives still sitting on it.

 

[Orangeslice13]

That whole stolen land narrative is absolutely ridiculous

 

[Vol8188]

You can read all about it. There's plenty of reporting on the ICJ case.

“Go fetch”!

How dare I have the audacity to expect you make an actual point

 

[82_VOL_83]

They're an ethnic group. They're not Jordanian, not Lebanese, not Egyptian, etc.; they're Palestinian. They're Christian and Muslim so yeah religion probably wouldn't apply.
Actions 1, 2, and 3 look to apply. Let's see what the ICJ says.

I disagree about a specific ethnic group. They are ethnically an arab/jewish melting pot. Can you be ethnically separate if you contain several ethnicities? I don't think so.

 

[McDad]

They're an ethnic group. They're not Jordanian, not Lebanese, not Egyptian, etc.; they're Palestinian. They're Christian and Muslim so yeah religion probably wouldn't apply.
Actions 1, 2, and 3 look to apply. Let's see what the ICJ says.

Jordanian, Lebanese, Egyptians, and Palestinians are ethnic groups???

Those sound like geographic groups to me.

 

[NashVol11]

Based on the arguments made here, if Israel explicitly said “I want to kill all Palestinians” and then did it, it still wouldn’t be a genocide because they “don’t count as an ethnic group.” Please be serious

 

[McDad]

I disagree about a specific ethnic group. They are ethnically an arab/jewish melting pot. Can you be ethnically separate if you contain several ethnicities? I don't think so.

Im confused by it.

 

[McDad]

noun: ethnicity; plural noun: ethnicities

1. the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.