It wasn't that they were too young, they just acted like a bunch of street ballers

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Bassmanbruno said:
kiffinator13 said:
Sure did treat him fairly well at TAMU. And I don't think he's the greatest. I also watched Rick Pitino's press against us last year which was about 100x most effective than our trap off the first pass - then get burnt and either give up an easy lay up or back off. Made Pearl's style of press look pathetic. His teams also know how to execute a half court offense effectively and play defense every once and awhile.
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Yes, and Rick had multiple NBA players at Louisville. And I would readily admit that I think Pitino is superior to Pearl anyway. But would you have said the same thing when Pitino made the NIT at Louisville. He hasn't been some sort of powerhouse at Louisville. They have been good, but not unbelievable. Also, Pitino's press isn't some sort of revolutionary invention. He runs a 2-2-1 and has great athletes that get alot of deflections off of it, and it makes the opponent always work to get the ball up the floor. Our 1-2-1-1 is just a different style of press that is built more on forcing turnovers. If you have great athletes, either can be effective, as I hope ours will be next year.
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kiffinator13 said:
Yes, and Rick had multiple NBA players at Louisville. And I would readily admit that I think Pitino is superior to Pearl anyway. But would you have said the same thing when Pitino made the NIT at Louisville. He hasn't been some sort of powerhouse at Louisville. They have been good, but not unbelievable. Also, Pitino's press isn't some sort of revolutionary invention. He runs a 2-2-1 and has great athletes that get alot of deflections off of it, and it makes the opponent always work to get the ball up the floor. Our 1-2-1-1 is just a different style of press that is built more on forcing turnovers. If you have great athletes, either can be effective, as I hope ours will be next year.
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I know what they run. But I'd like to see how many TOs they forced compared to us that game. We could not get the ball up court at all.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
What? Are you going to bring up the fact that Bruce has won 7 out of 8 against the Gators who have won 2 recent National Titles? Once again - that was the perfect storm with that Florida roster and kiffinator could have coached those teams to a NC.
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Judging by Gillespie's results at UK, maybe it was just the so called "perfect storm" of having the best point guard in the country that allowed him to get to the sweet 16 at TAMU.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
What? Are you going to bring up the fact that Bruce has won 7 out of 8 against the Gators who have won 2 recent National Titles? Once again - that was the perfect storm with that Florida roster and kiffinator could have coached those teams to a NC.
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I guess Bruce is just as good a coach as Cal, 2-2 record against better Memphis teams?

He's also just as good a coach as Tubby, right?
 
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Sudeepvol said:
I guess Bruce is just as good a coach as Cal, 2-2 record against better Memphis teams?

He's also just as good a coach as Tubby, right?
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So what will you say if CBG is retained and Bruce is 1-5 against him after 3 years?

You can't honestly say (watching the past 4 games) that CBG did not out coach Pearl by a mile these past two years - with less talent.
 
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And I don't understand your point of "perfect storm". Tennessee still had to go out and beat 5 future NBA players with a pretty good coach. Are you calling their 3-1 record a fluke? Or are you saying Billy D is not a good coach? I don't understand.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
And I don't understand your point of "perfect storm". Tennessee still had to go out and beat 5 future NBA players with a pretty good coach. Are you calling their 3-1 record a fluke? Or are you saying Billy D is not a good coach? I don't understand.
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I'm saying look at what he did at Florida before those 2 years. He was known as a very good recruiter and a very average coach whose teams usually flopped in the NCAAT. Then all of the sudden he's "elite" because he gets a ridiculous amount of talent on to one team with insane team chemistry that decides to return after winning 1 title.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
I know this is going to kill you Bassmanbruno, but Louisville had 20, compared to our 17. The difference was shooting percentage. So maybe our press isn't too bad.

Louisville vs. Tennessee - Box Score - March 27, 2008 - ESPN
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I'd like you to find out how many of those TOs were forced by our press and theirs though. So - no - it doesn't kill me. Also - the amount of times we rushed the ball up court trying to beat their press and end up taking a retarded shot won't be counted in that number but it happened numerous times.

Also - Louisville shot such a high % due to the fact our press was flat out sucky for a majority of the game leading to uncontested dunks and layups.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
So what will you say if CBG is retained and Bruce is 1-5 against him after 3 years?

You can't honestly say (watching the past 4 games) that CBG did not out coach Pearl by a mile these past two years - with less talent.
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He did out coach Pearl this year. But I guess Horn out coached CBG this year. And Billy D out coached him as well, considering Florida has far less talent than Kentucky.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
I'm saying look at what he did at Florida before those 2 years. He was known as a very good recruiter and a very average coach whose teams usually flopped in the NCAAT. Then all of the sudden he's "elite" because he gets a ridiculous amount of talent on to one team with insane team chemistry that decides to return after winning 1 title.
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He had been to the championship game in 2000...
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Bassmanbruno said:
I'm saying look at what he did at Florida before those 2 years. He was known as a very good recruiter and a very average coach whose teams usually flopped in the NCAAT. Then all of the sudden he's "elite" because he gets a ridiculous amount of talent on to one team with insane team chemistry that decides to return after winning 1 title.
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Which is why I'm ignoring Pearl's latest four wins, and looking at that 3-1 record. You're contradicting your own statements. You're not giving Pearl credit for that 3-1 record against the team you say has ridiculous talent and insane team chemistry.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
I'd like you to find out how many of those TOs were forced by our press and theirs though. So - no - it doesn't kill me.
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Well, I guess it's tough to admit that you are wrong, but turnovers were irrelevant in that game. It was the fact that they shot 53% from the floor to our 33% and that they outrebounded us.
 
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Billy D is to Florida basketball as Spurrier was to Florida football. They revolutionized those programs. To not give credit to Billy D for being a good coach is insane.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
Which is why I'm ignoring Pearl's latest four wins, and looking at that 3-1 record. You're contradicting your own statements. You're not giving Pearl credit for that 3-1 record against the team you say has ridiculous talent and insane team chemistry.
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I'm not contradicting anything. I wasn't talking about Pearl's head to head record against Billy D. I was talking about Florida's run in the NCAAT.

That 3 and 1 record against that NC team can largely be contributed to Chris Lofton rather than Bruce. Although - you have to give him credit - he's owned Billy D. for whatever reason.

Chris willed us into those games and that was pretty evident when we didn't have him for the 1-loss. Insane 3-point shooting doesn't always mean the coach is awesome.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
I'm not contradicting anything. I wasn't talking about Pearl's head to head record against Billy D. I was talking about Florida's run in the NCAAT.

That 3 and 1 record against that NC team can largely be contributed to Chris Lofton rather than Bruce. Although - you have to give him credit - he's owned Billy D. for whatever reason.

Chris willed us into those games and that was pretty evident when we didn't have him for the 1-loss. Insane 3-point shooting doesn't always mean the coach is awesome.
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Yea thats true, just ask BCG.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Well, I guess it's tough to admit that you are wrong, but turnovers were irrelevant in that game. It was the fact that they shot 53% from the floor to our 33% and that they outrebounded us.
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The fact that shot 53% from the floor just proves how the presses were very relevant in this game, lol. Is your memory really that shot? Teams usually shoot that high of a % when they get uncontested dunks and layups.

Uncontested dunks and layups usually come for unsuccessful pressing under Bruce.
 
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