It will be us and Florida this year for the SEC

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Hardwood_fanatic said:
No, its not. Anytime UF faced a physical team (i.e Kentucky) they got man handled inside and dominated on the boards. Tyus belongs as an extra in predator movies, and Parsons would do better as a member of a boy band than as a basketball player. If it weren't for him pulling a couple buzzer beaters out of his ass, Florida's season would have looked drastically different.

Florida returns experience, but not toughness.
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Wow so many things wrong about your post.

"Anytime UF faced a physical team (i.e Kentucky) they got man handled inside and dominated on the boards."

Kentucky did because they were better than Florida last season. I got no problem saying that. But cmon that is just one team


"Tyus belongs as an extra in predator movies, and Parsons would do better as a member of a boy band than as a basketball player."

LoL that has nothing to do with basketball. Just sounds like hating to me


"If it weren't for him pulling a couple buzzer beaters out of his ass, Florida's season would have looked drastically different. "


Yeah florida got very lucky against nc state, but that was just one time. Yeah we did hit a buzzerbeater to beat south carolina but it was a wide open 3 by Parsons. Chances were good he was going to hit that wide open

and here are the rebounding stats for the two games last season between Florida and Kentucky
first game Kentucky 38 Florida 32
second game Florida 36 Kentucky 31

Yeah florida sure did get "dominated" on the boards last season
 
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gatorgo26 said:
Wow so many things wrong about your post.

"Anytime UF faced a physical team (i.e Kentucky) they got man handled inside and dominated on the boards."

Kentucky did because they were better than Florida last season. I got no problem saying that. But cmon that is just one team


"Tyus belongs as an extra in predator movies, and Parsons would do better as a member of a boy band than as a basketball player."

LoL that has nothing to do with basketball. Just sounds like hating to me


"If it weren't for him pulling a couple buzzer beaters out of his ass, Florida's season would have looked drastically different. "


Yeah florida got very lucky against nc state, but that was just one time. Yeah we did hit a buzzerbeater to beat south carolina but it was a wide open 3 by Parsons. Chances were good he was going to hit that wide open

and here are the rebounding stats for the two games last season between Florida and Kentucky
first game Kentucky 38 Florida 32
second game Florida 36 Kentucky 31

Yeah florida sure did get "dominated" on the boards last season
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I forgot. South Alabama, Richmond and Xavier were all juggernauts.

Go back and watch the games, UF got pushed around in several games. I don't care about useless stat lines.

This debate was about whether Florida was soft, not their stat line or wins/losses. Florida is not a physical team, they just aren't.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
I forgot. South Alabama, Richmond and Xavier were all juggernauts.

Go back and watch the games, UF got pushed around in several games. I don't care about useless stat lines.

This debate was about whether Florida was soft, not their stat line or wins/losses. Florida is not a physical team, they just aren't.
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LOL that makes no sense. You say florida is not a physical team but you got no evidence to back it up.
 
#54
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gatorgo26 said:
LOL that makes no sense. You say florida is not a physical team but you got no evidence to back it up.
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There is plenty of evidence. Go back and watch your entire season last year, game by game. Not to mention, you can search threads on this forum where practically the whole world agrees. Its okay to be a homer :good!:

I'd love to stay and continue the gator hate, but I gotta run.

I'm sure there will be plenty to look at when I get back.
 
#55
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
There is plenty of evidence. Go back and watch your entire season last year, game by game. Not to mention, you can search threads on this forum where practically the whole world agrees. Its okay to be a homer :good!:

I'd love to stay and continue the gator hate, but I gotta run.

I'm sure there will be plenty to look at when I get back.
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Hey man just remember its okay to be wrong :p
 
#57
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LawVol13 said:
Your team obviously will be very different, but the rest of the SEC will essentially be mediocre or just absolutely suck other than the UT, UK, UF. UK is traditionally a very good road team, and considering the level of competition that you will face in conference on the road, I don't expect you guys to have much trouble.
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To see someone who knows so little about basketball posting on this board.

Unless making the NCAA tournament is mediocre, Lawvol is saying the SEC will have only 3 teams in. That is laughable.

I also like that most of the people who said UF would be terrible this year are backing off. BPV is still in the same spot he was, he thinks their freshmen will not be big difference makers and he thinks they will be a soft team that sucks. I disagree.
 
#58
#58
I didn't read through this thread, but I'd rank the East like this:

1a. Kentucky
1b. Tennessee
3a. UF
3b. UGA
5. Vandy
6. S. Car.

That's also the league's order in talent IMO. Florida's entire starting 5 is returning, but that shouldn't concern anyone considering how mediocre that team was last year.

UGA could certainly finish 3rd and push for 2nd if Thompkins improves even more.

UK certainly has the most talent, but while this class is extremely talented it lacks the physical maturity that DMC and JW had outside of Kanter, who is a more skilled and less physical version of Cousins. Lamb, Leslie, and Knight are all future NBA players.

Tennessee will push UK for the league title. I expect Hopson to improve a bit, just as he did last year. Harris will be the best player on the squad. Williams and the experienced bench should help them match up with UK. Goins is the wild card.
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
To see someone who knows so little about basketball posting on this board.

Unless making the NCAA tournament is mediocre, Lawvol is saying the SEC will have only 3 teams in. That is laughable.

I also like that most of the people who said UF would be terrible this year are backing off. BPV is still in the same spot he was, he thinks their freshmen will not be big difference makers and he thinks they will be a soft team that sucks. I disagree.
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Not that I'm insinuating that you placed me there, but I'm not in that group. I do agree with BPV that UF is soft and overall will be much like last year, waffling back and forth with some unexpected losses. Returning five starters is an advantage, but it only goes so far when they are mediocre. However, UF will win 10-11 games in the SEC and challenge the east, and ultimately make the tourney again. (Due largely to the fact that the SEC will once again be weak in the west and top heavy in the east. )
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Not that I'm insinuating that you placed me there, but I'm not in that group. I do agree with BPV that UF is soft and overall will be much like last year, waffling back and forth with some unexpected losses. Returning five starters is an advantage, but it only goes so far when they are mediocre.

Sorry about about that hardwood but you are wrong. Florida is going to be bringing the experience this season and will be a lot tougher this season with addinbg young one reason. You sound like only florida has question marks for the upcoming season,which in fact kentucky and the vols also have question marks.
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
To see someone who knows so little about basketball posting on this board.

Unless making the NCAA tournament is mediocre, Lawvol is saying the SEC will have only 3 teams in. That is laughable.

I also like that most of the people who said UF would be terrible this year are backing off. BPV is still in the same spot he was, he thinks their freshmen will not be big difference makers and he thinks they will be a soft team that sucks. I disagree.
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There are 4 teams that have a legitimate shot at making the 'AAs. UT, UF, UK, and Vandy. I don't see UGA being able to make that step next year. The West literally just sucks. Miss. State will be the best team, and they will be much different after losing Varnado. Now run along and tell us how great LSU and Arkansas are going to be next year after losing their best players.
 
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gatorgo26 said:
Hardwood_fanatic said:
Not that I'm insinuating that you placed me there, but I'm not in that group. I do agree with BPV that UF is soft and overall will be much like last year, waffling back and forth with some unexpected losses. Returning five starters is an advantage, but it only goes so far when they are mediocre.

Sorry about about that hardwood but you are wrong. Florida is going to be bringing the experience this season and will be a lot tougher this season with addinbg young one reason. You sound like only florida has question marks for the upcoming season,which in fact kentucky and the vols also have question marks.
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Give me a break. You all have been saying that for 3 or 4years now, and you consistently field the same soft, pansy team.
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#63
#63
Kentucky has way more question marks than Florida and by the way how did that #1 all time recruiting class work out for you.....that's what I thought.
 
#64
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tng8r said:
Kentucky has way more question marks than Florida and by the way how did that #1 all time recruiting class work out for you.....that's what I thought.
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Florida was slightly better last year than the previous year. There is no reason to believe that they are going to be anything more than slightly better next year.
 
#65
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tng8r said:
Kentucky has way more question marks than Florida and by the way how did that #1 all time recruiting class work out for you.....that's what I thought.
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I'll take Knight, Lamb, Miller, Leslie, and Kanter over Boynton, Parsons, Tyus, Macklin, and Walker 100 times out of 100.
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#66
#66
2010 seems a nice round number for the Volunteers to spit blood, wipe the mouth, and tell the Gators if thats their best shot they're ass is already whipped!
 
#67
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BigPapaVol said:
I wouldn't take UF over UK and UT at this point. They have just as many questions and the guy that everyone is calling their star is overrated as all hell.
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I agree.

Until Florida shows some consistency on defense and anything other than what amounts to Donovan's patented four guard offense (ie minimum of thirty shots from beyond the arc and a total of two offensive rebounds every game) I am not buying into any Florida hype.

I'd love to. But not gonna do it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree.

Until Florida shows some consistency on defense and anything other than what amounts to Donovan's patented four guard offense (ie minimum of thirty shots from beyond the arc and a total of two offensive rebounds every game) I am not buying into any Florida hype.

I'd love to. But not gonna do it.
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Well played LG!
 
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gatorgo26 said:
Sorry about about that hardwood but you are wrong. Florida is going to be bringing the experience this season and will be a lot tougher this season with addinbg young one reason. You sound like only florida has question marks for the upcoming season,which in fact kentucky and the vols also have question marks.
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All you have to do is look earlier in this thread, where I point out UK and UT's weakness, and stated that its an even 3 team race for the SEC East. Take the time to look at it, and that will answer that question. I even placed Florida with a slight edge, due to their experience.

However, that still does not change the fact that Florida's weakness is that they are soft inside, and jack up 30 three's per game to make up for that. Their talent is average, and they will live and die behind the 3 point line. They will be able to win 10 or 11 games with their experience and outside shooting, but they are never going to dominate the league at anytime during this season.
 
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tng8r said:
Kentucky has way more question marks than Florida and by the way how did that #1 all time recruiting class work out for you.....that's what I thought.
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Yeah, the elite 8 appearance was a shameful occurrence compared to the customary first round exit that Florida provided.

Clueless.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
but they are never going to dominate the league at anytime during this season.
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Hardwood I agree with that. Any gator fan would be silly if they think florida is going to dominate the sec this season. And yeah hopefully Florida does not jack up that many threes this season. Again the sec east race should be very close this season with any of the 3 teams winning
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree.

Until Florida shows some consistency on defense and anything other than what amounts to Donovan's patented four guard offense (ie minimum of thirty shots from beyond the arc and a total of two offensive rebounds every game) I am not buying into any Florida hype.

I'd love to. But not gonna do it.
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and that's the gist of it, period. UF has some talent, but it just doesn't strike me as real tourney run style. If one of the newcomers rises above Donovan-itis, then there is a prayer. Otherwise, guys like Parsons will continue to be exposed as one trick ponies and be sent packing.

UGA, OTOH, has some studs. They might not find a shooter or a PG, but they have some horses on the wings and in the paint.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
and that's the gist of it, period. UF has some talent, but it just doesn't strike me as real tourney run style. If one of the newcomers rises above Donovan-itis, then there is a prayer. Otherwise, guys like Parsons will continue to be exposed as one trick ponies and be sent packing.

UGA, OTOH, has some studs. They might not find a shooter or a PG, but they have some horses on the wings and in the paint.
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This is why I've been saying for years on this board that people need to understand that the tournament is almost always about size, rebounding, and defense. A team can be hot from the 3-point line for only so many games and if they are soft in the front court they will be exposed, usually sooner rather than later.

IMO the officiating in the tournament is usually a lot looser in the paint. You have to have size and they have to be able to take a punch and still take charge of a game.

My biggest gripe about Donovan has always been his propensity to recruit in his own image. Scrappy guards are great. And they can give you some memorable moments. And its also true that a banging center may not produce as many acrobatic thrills as a short guy who runs around and hits from 30 feet.

But that is what wins in the tournament. How we happened to wake up a few years ago with Brewer and Noah and sneak in there like that I still don't quite understand. But I know that until we replicate that approach we are doomed to Sweet 16 as the top prize we can hope for year in and year out.
 
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Wow @ some of the responses. I find it truly hilarious that some thought he was talkin ab FB, yet still agreed.
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
To see someone who knows so little about basketball posting on this board.

Unless making the NCAA tournament is mediocre, Lawvol is saying the SEC will have only 3 teams in. That is laughable.

I also like that most of the people who said UF would be terrible this year are backing off. BPV is still in the same spot he was, he thinks their freshmen will not be big difference makers and he thinks they will be a soft team that sucks. I disagree.
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Who else is going to make the tourney? Maybe UGA if they overachieved? Nobody in the west will. That's not a bad bet to take.
 
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